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    Arguing that the ottoman empire wasn't a super power is nonsense.

    Maybe if they controlled Morocco they could've sent campaigns to the Americas, but it the empire was too big in the first place they didn't need new lands to control.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    Superpower? lol that made me laugh hard.
    In the 16th century, the Holy Roman Emperor had to concede by a treaty that he was legally inferior to the Ottoman Sultan and only equal to the Grand Vizier. Name a country that was more powerful in that period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayalet View Post
    Ottoman privateers raided as far as Iceland.
    The spanish could destroy the ottoman fleet in a day.
    Лажат дека немаш море, имаш море зад солунско поле.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    Superpower? lol that made me laugh hard. The Ottomans were one of the most uncivilized, unsophisticated people ever. Wherever they went they left trails of blood behind and civilization disappeared from view, to quote the British ambassador to Turkey at that time. The Ottomans lacked technognosy and the 'know how'. Whatever little they knew on how to run an empire they got it from Byzantines and Arabs.
    The Ottomans were a Multi-ethnic empire and a superpower regardless of whether you like it or not. The Ottomans were more builders of civilization than destroyers. The Ottoman architecture itself was one of the most unique and beautiful architectures at that time. I'm not a huge fan of Ottomans but that doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the cultural things which they gave to humanity

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    Quote Originally Posted by HellLander87 View Post
    The spanish could destroy the ottoman fleet in a day.
    There had been several battles between them, each side had their victories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayalet View Post
    There had been several battles between them, each side had their victories.
    After Lepanto there was practically no ottoman fleet in the mediterranean.
    Лажат дека немаш море, имаш море зад солунско поле.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HellLander87 View Post
    After Lepanto there was practically no ottoman fleet in the mediterranean.
    Despite the decisive defeat, the Ottoman Empire rebuilt its navy with a massive effort, by largely imitating the successful Venetian galeasses, in a very short time. By 1572, about six months after the defeat, more than 150 galleys and 8 galleasses, in total 250 ships had been built, including eight of the largest capital ships ever seen in the Mediterranean. With this new fleet the Ottoman Empire was able to reassert its supremacy in the Eastern Mediterranean. On 7 March 1573 the Venetians thus recognized by treaty the Ottoman possession of Cyprus, whose last Venetian possession, Famagosta, had fallen to the Turks under Piyale Pasha on 3 August 1571, just two months before Lepanto, and remained Turkish for the next three centuries, and that summer the Ottoman Navy attacked the geographically vulnerable coasts of Sicily and southern Italy. Sultan Selim II's Chief Minister, the Grand Vizier Mehmed Sokullu, argued to the Venetian emissary Marcantonio Barbaro that the Christian triumph at Lepanto caused no lasting harm to the Ottoman Empire, while the capture of Cyprus by the Ottomans in the same year was a significant blow, saying that:

    You come to see how we bear our misfortune. But I would have you know the difference between your loss and ours. In wresting Cyprus from you, we deprived you of an arm; in defeating our fleet, you have only shaved our beard. An arm when cut off cannot grow again; but a shorn beard will grow all the better for the razor.
    ...in 1574, the Ottomans retook the strategic city of Tunis from the Spanish-supported Hafsid dynasty, which had been re-installed after Don Juan's forces reconquered the city from the Ottomans the year before. Thanks to the long-standing Franco-Ottoman alliance, the Ottomans were able to resume naval activity in the western Mediterranean. In 1576, the Ottomans assisted in Abdul Malik's capture of Fez – this reinforced the Ottoman indirect conquests in Morocco that had begun under Süleyman the Magnificent. The establishment of Ottoman suzerainty over the area placed the entire southern coast of the Mediterranean from the Straits of Gibraltar to Greece under Ottoman authority, with the exceptions of the Spanish-controlled trading city of Oran and strategic settlements such as Melilla and Ceuta.

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    Also The ottomans had so many warfronts and strong enemies they didn't have the time to maintain colonies in a new largely undiscovered world. One of their main mistakes is not having strong allies for a long time, Imo they should've been allies with the polish and the turkic states in Iran because they mainly had similar enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by random View Post
    Also The ottomans had so many warfronts and strong enemies they didn't have the time to maintain colonies in a new largely undiscovered world. One of their main mistakes is not having strong allies for a long time, Imo they should've been allies with the polish and the turkic states in Iran because they mainly had similar enemies.
    They should have allied themselves with Timur instead of fighting against him and the Golden Horde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiyant View Post
    They should have allied themselves with Timur instead of fighting against him and the Golden Horde.
    Yes, with him they could've easily conquered europe. And the Moroccans to fight against the spanish/Portuguese, but they weren't big fans of having strong independent allies. Not having strong loyal allies will work if the empire was strong but every empire needs allies to become more successful in the long run.
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