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Thread: Why didn't Ottomans colonize the Americas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    Superpower? lol that made me laugh hard. The Ottomans were one of the most uncivilized, unsophisticated people ever. Wherever they went they left trails of blood behind and civilization disappeared from view, to quote the British ambassador to Turkey at that time. The Ottomans lacked technognosy and the 'know how'. Whatever little they knew on how to run an empire they got it from Byzantines and Arabs.
    The Ottoman Empire was a major power during the XVth and XVIth centuries, and as sophisticated as France at the time, even more in certain areas. That's a fact.

    Regardless, they didn't have Atlantic ports past porting rights in France (I wonder if they could access them, though), and didn't need to extend over the seas since they already had near complete control of the trade between the West and East of Eurasia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky earth View Post
    The Ottomans were a super power at the time of the colonization of the new world. Why didn't they colonize the Americas? Seriously that's a very interesting question
    No, they not. They were only a great power. The superpower has global power and the Ottomans expeditionary force was strongly limited, especially after Lepanto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky earth View Post
    The Ottomans were a super power at the time of the colonization of the new world. Why didn't they colonize the Americas? Seriously that's a very interesting question
    Because they already controlled the only known rout to far east Asia. They had no incentive to explore the Atlantic. America was an unknown boon for Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudel View Post
    The Ottoman Empire was a major power during the XVth and XVIth centuries, and as sophisticated as France at the time, even more in certain areas. That's a fact.
    You're showing one of the greatest nuisances in European history: When certain European powers (like the 'Holy League') were fighting against the Ottomans on the Balkans and elsewhere to stop the threat, it were the French who had friendship- and economy treaties with the Ottomans... When Europe had to be saved at Vienna twice, the French did nothing but sitting back and tactical manoeuvring.

    If all European people and European states had the same gutless attitude as the French at that time, we were probably living in a Muslim country like Bosnia. But for god sake, not all are like the French...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leliana View Post
    You're showing one of the greatest nuisances in European history: When certain European powers (like the 'Holy League') were fighting against the Ottomans on the Balkans and elsewhere to stop the threat, it were the French who had friendship- and economy treaties with the Ottomans... When Europe had to be saved at Vienna twice, the French did nothing but sitting back and tactical manoeuvring.

    If all European people and European states had the same gutless attitude as the French at that time, we were probably living in a Muslim country like Bosnia. But for god sake, not all are like the French...
    Probably because the French were more intelligent then others in Europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leliana View Post
    You're showing one of the greatest nuisances in European history: When certain European powers (like the 'Holy League') were fighting against the Ottomans on the Balkans and elsewhere to stop the threat, it were the French who had friendship- and economy treaties with the Ottomans... When Europe had to be saved at Vienna twice, the French did nothing but sitting back.
    Europe isn't a real thing, it wasn't "saved" at Vienna, and the Holy League wasn't an actual religious faction. The fight of Central Europe and maritime Western-Med states against the Ottoman Empire was one against a State, not a religion. A State we had nothing to fear about, mind you.
    Our problem wasn't the Ottomans, it was the Hapsburg dynasty. We've not "betrayed" anyone, because we didn't owe anything to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudel View Post
    Europe isn't a real thing, it wasn't "saved" at Vienna, and the Holy League wasn't an actual religious faction. The fight of Central Europe and maritime Western-Med states against the Ottoman Empire was one against a State, not a religion. A State we had nothing to fear about, mind you.
    Our problem wasn't the Ottomans, it was the Hapsburg dynasty. We've not "betrayed" anyone, because we didn't owe anything to them.
    Thats like a Malay asking Turks today why they didnt help them against China or something like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leliana View Post
    You're showing one of the greatest nuisances in European history: When certain European powers (like the 'Holy League') were fighting against the Ottomans on the Balkans and elsewhere to stop the threat, it were the French who had friendship- and economy treaties with the Ottomans... When Europe had to be saved at Vienna twice, the French did nothing but sitting back and tactical manoeuvring.

    If all European people and European states had the same gutless attitude as the French at that time, we were probably living in a Muslim country like Bosnia. But for god sake, not all are like the French...
    It's a contraddiction: the Franks saved Europe from the other side...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scandalf View Post
    It's a contraddiction: the Franks saved Europe from the other side...
    The whole thing around Charles Martel saving Eruope from Islam blabla is more mythology than history. Though without us Western Europe wouldn't have been Catholic and would most likely have gone to Arianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudel View Post
    The whole thing around Charles Martel saving Eruope from Islam blabla is more mythology than history. Though without us Western Europe wouldn't have been Catholic and would most likely have gone to Arianism.
    So you're basically denying one of the most fondamental part of French history, the battle of Poitiers ?

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