Who looks more similar: Brits and Germans or Spaniards and Italians?

[Septentrion]

Germany phenotypes by frequency:
Borreby
Dalofaelid
West Alpinid
Norid
Subnordid
Keltic Nordid
Dinarid
Anglo - Saxon
Tavastid
Hallstatt Nordid

Spain phenotypes by frequency:
Gracile Mediterranid
Atlanto - Mediterranid
Berid
Baskid
Eurafricanid
Atlantid
South Mediterranid
Dinarid
Nordid (Hallstatt/Keltic/Anglo-Saxon/Tronder)


Italy phenotypes by frequency:
Dinaricized - Mediterranid
Dinarid
West Alpinid
Litorid
Gracile Mediterranid
Norid
Paleo Sardinian
Atlanto - Mediterranid
Nordo - Mediterranid
Nordid (Hallstatt/Keltic/Anglo - Saxon/ Tronder)
Borreby

[alnortedelsur]

Germany phenotypes by frequency:
Borreby
Dalofaelid
West Alpinid
Norid
Subnordid
Keltic Nordid
Dinarid
Anglo - Saxon
Tavastid
Hallstatt Nordid

Spain phenotypes by frequency:
Gracile Mediterranid
Atlanto - Mediterranid
Berid
Baskid
Eurafricanid
Atlantid
South Mediterranid
Dinarid
Nordid (Hallstatt/Keltic/Anglo-Saxon/Tronder)


Italy phenotypes by frequency:
Dinaricized - Mediterranid
Dinarid
West Alpinid
Litorid
Gracile Mediterranid
Norid
Paleo Sardinian
Atlanto - Mediterranid
Nordo - Mediterranid
Nordid (Hallstatt/Keltic/Anglo - Saxon/ Tronder)
Borreby

Said the "expert"

[Samnium]

Said the "expert"

Honestly the list seems correct.

[Creoda]

Yes, I got it from many sources. Overall for the British Isles, the Brunn types would score high (top 3). However not for England alone, the Brunn is much more dominant in the Irish population, especially the western ones. Though if you list, in England those Brunns are most likely of Irish origin or descent. Some caricatures of the Irish people in the 19th century exaggerated those "Irish" (Brunn) features. Outside of the British Isles, the Brunn type is not common except some parts of Scandinavia.

I'm fairly confident that many of my English family who aren't Irish would be considered Brunn or Brunn influenced by others, and that's not odd, at least not in Northern England. They are often CM like without quite being Anglo-Saxon or Borreby like, and definitely not Paleo-Atlantid, so I don't know what else that could be.

IMO the 4 major defining looks not only in Britain but also England are Keltic Nordic, Anglo-Saxon, Brunn and North Atlantid, and different combinations of those.

Could you post your lists for Ireland, Scotland and Wales too please?

[Septentrion]

I'm fairly confident that many of my English family who aren't Irish would be considered Brunn or Brunn influenced by others, and that's not odd, at least not in Northern England. They are often CM like without quite being Anglo-Saxon or Borreby like, and definitely not Paleo-Atlantid, so I don't know what else that could be.

IMO the 4 major defining looks not only in Britain but also England are Keltic Nordic, Anglo-Saxon, Brunn and North Atlantid, and different combinations of those.

Could you post your lists for Ireland, Scotland and Wales too please?

You have forgotten that the Brunn component plays a role in the Anglo - Saxon and Tronder phenotypes, especially the latter. The Tronder has a good frequency in Northern England. You could be confusing.

Welsh:
North Atlantid
Keltic Nordid
Paleo Atlantid
Brunn/Anglo-Saxon/Hallstatt Nordid/Tronder/Borreby

Scottish:
Keltic Nordid
Tronder
Anglo-Saxon/North Atlantid/Paleo Atlantid
Brunn/Borreby/Norid
Strandid

Irish:
Brunn
Keltic Nordid
North Atlantid/Borreby
Tronder/Paleo Atlantid/Anglo-Saxon
Norid/Aran/Hallstatt Nordid
Strandid

[Chris596]

I voted for Italians and Spaniards because of high level of Atlantids, Gracile Meds and Atlanto-Meds which connects them (ofcourse they have other phenotypes, especially Italians in northern Italy, such as Norics+Dinarids etc...)

British and Germans are as much similar as they are different.

You cannot really compare areas of Britain like Wales or Scotland, or even western England to Germany in general...

P.S: Don't get me wrong, Italians and Spaniards are not same, but they are more similar in my opinion than Germans with British, not only because of Anthroplogy, but History as well.

Yes, but all I know is that a lot of italians and spanish ,,dont like'' each other, mainly because of football. An italian friend of mine told me this.

[JamesBond007]

Where do you get these phenotype frequency stats from, a book?

Not that I give any real credence to these categories but Brunn types should be higher on that list. I would say in the top 3.

I dunno creoda, Irish nationalism is the rise of the Brunn. Scottish nationalism is the rise of Pictish plus Irish. Welsh nationalism is rise of the Romanized Celt. and English nationalism is the rise of the Germanic Anglo-Saxon type. For better or worse Brunn is associated strongly with Ireland. There are pseudo-Brunn looking people in England too that are not really Brunn such as this look which is closer to Tronder or Anglo-Saxon with some minor Celtic admixture :

[JamesBond007]

You have forgotten that the Brunn component plays a role in the Anglo - Saxon and Tronder phenotypes, especially the latter. The Tronder has a good frequency in Northern England. You could be confusing.

Welsh:
North Atlantid
Keltic Nordid
Paleo Atlantid
Brunn/Anglo-Saxon/Hallstatt Nordid/Tronder/Borreby

Scottish:
Keltic Nordid
Tronder
Anglo-Saxon/North Atlantid/Paleo Atlantid
Brunn/Borreby/Norid
Strandid

Irish:
Brunn
Keltic Nordid
North Atlantid/Borreby
Tronder/Paleo Atlantid/Anglo-Saxon
Norid/Aran/Hallstatt Nordid
Strandid

y0, I'm not disagreeing with bro. I think for once we agree with each other. I'm just wondering what the / marks are though ? Does that mean those types have the same frequency of occurrence or that it is a localized mixture/blend ?

[Creoda]

You have forgotten that the Brunn component plays a role in the Anglo - Saxon and Tronder phenotypes, especially the latter. The Tronder has a good frequency in Northern England. You could be confusing.

Welsh:
North Atlantid
Keltic Nordid
Paleo Atlantid
Brunn/Anglo-Saxon/Hallstatt Nordid/Tronder/Borreby

Scottish:
Keltic Nordid
Tronder
Anglo-Saxon/North Atlantid/Paleo Atlantid
Brunn/Borreby/Norid
Strandid

Irish:
Brunn
Keltic Nordid
North Atlantid/Borreby
Tronder/Paleo Atlantid/Anglo-Saxon
Norid/Aran/Hallstatt Nordid
Strandid

Hmm, many of these distinctions are too arbitrary to reasonably discuss.

How would you classify someone like Adam Peaty?

[Tooting Carmen]

Hmm, many of these distinctions are too arbitrary to reasonably discuss.

How would you classify someone like Adam Peaty?

Between Atlantid and Borreby? Many of these terms and distinctions are bullshit anyway.