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    Quote Originally Posted by Amenhotep View Post
    The ancient Celts and Vikings were Black people.

    The Celts were originally Black people. Ephorus (c. 405BC) claimed that the Celts were Blacks or Ethiopians(1)The Celts continued to be recognized as Blacks by Tacitus, who wrote about the Black Celts and Picts in 80 AD .(2)

    The Celts on the mainland of Europe were called Iberians or Silures.(3)though the original Celts were Black, overtime their name was stolen by Europeans. Father O’Growney has discussed the history of the Celts. He makes it clear that the original Celts were the Iberians.(4)

    The Iberians were probably conquered by the Ligurians.(5) It is suggested that the Ligurians may be represented by the modern Basque of Spain.(6) The Ligurians took the name Celt.

    The Ligurians/Celts were conquered by the Gaulish speaking people. The Gauls conqered the Ligurians and pushed them into Spain. It was these Gauls who imposed their language on the Iberian and Ligurian Celts .

    The Gauls were Belgians according to Father O’Growney. The Irish and Welsh are descendants of these Gauls.(7) These Gauls spoke Gaulish or Gaelic.(8)

    The Germans conquered the Gaulish-Celts, and Gaulish disappeared around 4th Century AD.





    This is supported by the Ivory Lady of York ,England. The reconstruction of the face of the Ivory Bangle Lady (c.350AD) indicates that she was African or Black.
    Every one was black. (I wonder where white people came from)

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    African Slavs?

    Celts, Vikings you had R1b link you could've clamed, but Slavs are R1a, unlike R1b it does not exist in SSA!

    Do some research, you were doing good until the Slav thing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadefire View Post
    yes, makes complete sense. Wasnt bill Clinton of Irish background First black president too!
    I believe it is Scots-Irish.

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    The truth is the complete opposite to what is written.It's like as if you know the truth but have twisted everything around.

    How many times does afro centic bull have to be debunked?

    The Irish were always called white by outsiders but were later called 'black' or 'negro' Irish because of their behaviour.I guess some blacks liked the idea of blacks being Irish and went with it from there.

    We know the origins of the Celts and they were not African.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amenhotep View Post
    THE BLACK (FIRST) EUROPEANS: AFRICAN SLAVS, AFRICAN CELTS

    Reconstructing the phylogeny of African
    mitochondrial DNA lineages in Slavs

    To elucidate the origin of African-specific mtDNA lineages, revealed previously in Slavonic populations (at frequency of about 0.4%), we completely sequenced eight African genomes belonging to haplogroups L1b, L2a, L3b, L3d and M1 gathered from Russians, Czechs, Slovaks and Poles. Results of phylogeographic analysis suggest that at least part of the African mtDNA lineages found in Slavs (such as L1b, L3b1, L3d) appears to be of West African origin, testifying to an opportunity of their occurrence as a result of migrations to Eastern Europe through Iberia. However, a prehistoric introgression of African mtDNA lineages into Eastern Europe (approximately 10 000 years ago) seems to be probable only for Europeanspecific subclade L2a1a, defined by coding region mutations at positions 6722 and 12903 and detected in Czechs and Slovaks. Further studies of the nature of African admixture in gene pools of Europeans require the essential enlargement of databases of African complete mitochondrial genomes. See: Boris A Malyarchuk et. al “Reconstructing the phylogeny of African mitochondrial DNA lineages in Slavs,” European Journal of Human Genetics 9 April 2008;

    Genetic Distance

    However of all the non-African populations, Europeans are most closely related to Africans. As the genetic distance from Africa to Europe (16.6) is shorter than the genetic distance from Africa to East Asia (20.6) and even much shorter than the Genetic distance from Africa to Australia. Cavalli-Sforza proposes that the simplest explanation for this short genetic distance is that substantial gene exchange has taken place between the nearby continents. Cavalli-Sforza also proposes that both Asian and African populations contributed to the settlement of Europe which began 40 000 years ago. The overall contributions from Asia and Africa were estimated to be around two-thirds and one-third, respectively. Europe has a genetic variation in general of about a third of that of other continents. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Europe

    Neolithic Farmers

    It is a further surprise that the Epipalaeolithic Natufian of Israel from whom the Neolithic realm was assumed to arise has a clear link to Sub-Saharan Africa. … The data treated here support the idea that the Neolithic moved out of the Near East into the circum-Mediterranean areas and Europe by a process of demic diffusion but that subsequently the in situ residents of those areas, derived from the Late Pleistocene inhabitants, absorbed both the agricultural life way and the people who had brought it. See: http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/103/1/242

    Bohemia

    “In its former name, Csechkoslovakia, is preserved the racial roots, Slav. Two countries were formed from the breakup of that country: Slovakia, and the Csech Republic; it’s identity now lost in the new appelation.

    But, both hide the more ancient and more original name of Csechkoslovakia which was Bohemia. Bohemia the name given the land by the incursive Germanic tribes who found African (by phenotype) Celts calling themselves the Boii. And, from that tribal name the land they lived on was called by the Germans, Bohemia.

    In its original, earliest, and longest phase (Africans were there from paleolithic times), it was African.

    Ok now you are just trolling and taking the piss.

    Do you anything about anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amenhotep View Post
    There are many oblique references to the presence of Black people in ancient Ireland. Ancient Irish mythology refers to the original inhabitants of the island as being a giant, sea-faring people called the Fomorians (Fomors), which means “dark of the sea”. According to the ancient lore, they were a cushitic people from the African continent. Often depicted as demons, they defeated the first few incoming waves of invaders, but could not defeat the Firbolgs, who settled the land and lived side-by-side with the native Fomors.

    Those myths may have a factual historical basis. It is proposed that the Formorians were a real people who were in all likelihood sailors from the African continent.

    Two more invasions, the first led by the godly Tuatha de Danaan, and the second by the Celtic Milesians, took control of Ireland, mixing together with the Fomorians until they were no more.

    There are credible sources for the African association with Ireland. The most likely of these is that they were Phoenicians and/or Egyptians. The Phoenicians were Canaanites, which came from the line of Ham. Ham is the mythological ancestor of the Black nation.

    The Phoenicians were also well-known for their sailing skills, and are said to have traveled to the British Isles, which they called the “Tin Islands”. Perhaps, before Ireland was a Celtic domain, which it wasn’t until a few centuries BCE, the Phoenicians colonized it. It is noteworthy that the name Fomorians sounds a bit like Phoenicians.

    There is also a legend that an Egyptian princess, Scota, left Egypt with some followers and journeyed to Ireland. Legend has it that Egyptians left many ancient tin mines all over Britain but especially Ireland which was their major source of the valuable metal.

    Another idea is that they were Taureg Berbers. The Berber language is Hamitic, and the Berber people live in an area from which travel to Ireland would be easily accessible. The Berbers perhaps set sail from western Morocco, and settled on Ireland before the Celts, making it their new home.

    Moorish Science Temple founder Drew Ali teaches that Ireland was once part of a Moorish empire, and that the Irish are a Moorish people. Perhaps there is a common root between the “moor” sound in Fomor and the word Moor?


    Selkies and Half-Breeds

    Another Irish legend tells of the Selkies, a sort-of “wereseal” that is a seal during day, but a human by nightfall. Sometimes, in an Irish family of fair-skinned, light-haired people, a child is born with dark hair eyes, and skin, and is called a Selkie.

    The concept of the Selkies appears to make subliminal reference to the half-breed children that resulted from the extensive miscegenation that occurred between the Celts and the dark skinned original inhabitants that they had met upon their arrival in Ireland.

    Many people of Irish descent have distant and recent African roots, and these features can still be seen in the people and in the culture. There are some Irish people with Afros (just like Andre the Giant a late continental European wrestler with afro-hair). In Southern Ireland, some people, referred to as “Black Irish”, are noted for their strikingly dark features, as opposed to the fair-skinned, light-haired north
    more photos and less myths

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    And say to me where appears the description that was realized by Tacitus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcticwolf View Post
    African Slavs?

    Celts, Vikings you had R1b link you could've clamed, but Slavs are R1a, unlike R1b it does not exist in SSA!

    Do some research, you were doing good until the Slav thing!
    Actually incorrect......R1b went into a region of Africa it did not originate there.....R1b originated in Asian steppes and migrated to Europe... R1a did less traveling though and did not extend as far in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Eye View Post
    The truth is the complete opposite to what is written.It's like as if you know the truth but have twisted everything around.

    How many times does afro centic bull have to be debunked?

    The Irish were always called white by outsiders but were later called 'black' or 'negro' Irish because of their behaviour.I guess some blacks liked the idea of blacks being Irish and went with it from there.

    We know the origins of the Celts and they were not African.
    They came from the Eurasian steppes.... and migrated towards western Europe where they settled, then the ice age came and they retreated to Iberia and then when the ice sheets retreated they migrated north again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Crow View Post
    Actually incorrect......R1b went into a region of Africa it did not originate there.....R1b originated in Asian steppes and migrated to Europe... R1a did less traveling though and did not extend as far in the world.
    Oh don't be so defensive. Whatever happened, I do not know, I was not there. The fact is R1b exists in Black SSA, R1a does not. So claiming black roots of Slavs, is as likely as you gettng a bj from a super model!

    Has he said Mongols, I would've considered it good trolling.
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