Finland Gets a Foot in NATO’s Door!

[Rugevit]

Russians might get nasty when they want to destroy a whole nation, but EU?

In the last 1,500 years when were the Russians nasty to you other than 1968, which happened after a monumental struggle during WWII by them? One of the strongest pan-Slavic movement was in your country in the 19th century looking up to Russia hoping she will help you to gain independence from Austro-Hungary. They have brain-washed you sorry to say it.

[ruber]

Yes, Russia is theoretically the most possible candidate to be our next enemy, out of all countries. Russian secret service is too much active here for the last 25 years and its getting actually worse, deportations of diplomats for their unlawfull activities are so numerous that it gets no press coverage anymore, old news. We are also a giant laundry for dirty Russian money. We are dependent on Russian gas. Russians are the biggest force in large parts of our real estate market. Russians are currently the second most numerous immigrants (even if I include immigrants from EU nations). Their power, arrogance and interests grow here slowly, but steadily, and it starts to get people nervous. Common trade is only around 5%-7% now, luckily, but increases. In 10 or 15 years, our dependency might grow to uncomfortable levels.

Regarding USA - we Czechs are natural cowards and we know it, to expect we would fight hard for our independency is futile. So we know we need a powerfull ally. USA is the only allied country that never betrayed us in our history so far. We understand that there is no free meal in this world and we are prepared to pay the price. At least we get to chose this time who we want to be indebted to. We are too weak to be neutral, so this is not an option for us either.

[Äijä]

Czechs/Bohemia survived within almost identical borders in Central Europe +1000 years, while so many invaders and empires changed while coming from all posible directions, we survived Avars and Huns, Holy Roman empire, many centuries in Habsburg´s empire, Ottomans attacks, Napoleon´s army, Swedes, Nazi German´s Protectorate, 40 years as a Soviet satelite state and now 10 years in the EU. And we are just fine. Why should Finns and Finnland fare any worse? Russians might get nasty when they want to destroy a whole nation, but EU?

Free movement of peoples, we have never had that before in Europe.

Well after the migration period a least.

[Rugevit]

Yes, Russia is theoretically the most possible candidate to be our next enemy, out of all countries. Russian secret service is too much active here for the last 25 years and its getting actually worse, deportations of diplomats for their unlawfull activities are so numerous that it gets no press coverage anymore, old news.

Is that insider information or you read a scary story?

We are also a giant laundry for dirty Russian money.

How do you know the money are dirty? Is that also insider information?

We are dependent on Russian gas. Russians are the biggest force in large parts of our real estate market.

How does buying gas and selling real-estate to citizens of one country make that country your potential enemy? Buy gas from USA or north Africa. Sell real estate to Americans and north Africans too.

Russians are currently the second most numerous immigrants (even if I include immigrants from EU nations). Their power, arrogance and interests grow here slowly, but steadily, and it starts to get people nervous. Common trade is only around 5%-7% now, luckily, but increases. In 10 or 15 years, our dependency might grow to uncomfortable levels.

I recently read that Czech authorities welcome Russian tourists. And how does trading with Russia makes Russia an enemy? For example, Finland is trading with Russia buying almost all gas from Russia. They don't get paranoid over trade realising economic benefits.

Regarding USA - we Czechs are natural cowards and we know it, to expect we would fight hard for our independency is futile. So we know we need a powerfull ally. USA is the only allied country that never betrayed us in our history so far. We understand that there is no free meal in this world and we are prepared to pay the price. At least we get to chose this time who we want to be indebted to. We are too weak to be neutral, so this is not an option for us either.

To a neutral observer, you look paranoid. The difference between you , a citizen of former block country, and Ukko, is that you need to be in a fold of another more powerful country having a common enemy, while Ukko wants his country to be independent of empires, unions and federations.

[Rugevit]

I grew up under Soviet occupation, when 500.000 heads strong "Russian" army was here in Czechoslovakia.

If you grew up under Soviet occupation you must be in your mid 30s now. But you have a simplistic point of view for a grown person. What a shame. Good night.