Is Denial Of The Armenian Genocide The Same As Holocaust Denial?

[Anglojew]

Holocaust denial is often cited for criticism however on this forum I've learned that almost no Turk will admit to the Armenian Genocide even though;

The Armenian Genocide is acknowledged to have been one of the first modern genocides, because scholars point to the organized manner in which the killings were carried out in order to eliminate the Armenians, and it is the second most-studied case of genocide after the Holocaust.¹

The Armenian Genocide also known as the Armenian Holocaust, the Armenian Massacres and, traditionally by Armenians, as Medz Yeghern (Armenian: Մեծ Եղեռն, "Great Crime") was the Ottoman government's systematic extermination of its minority Armenian subjects from their historic homeland within the territory constituting the present-day Republic of Turkey. The starting date is conventionally held to be 24 April 1915, the day Ottoman authorities rounded up and arrested some 250 Armenian intellectuals and community leaders in Constantinople. The genocide was carried out during and after World War I and implemented in two phases: the wholesale killing of the able-bodied male population through massacre and subjection of army conscripts to forced labor, followed by the deportation of women, children, the elderly and infirm on death marches leading to the Syrian desert. Driven forward by military escorts, the deportees were deprived of food and water and subjected to periodic robbery, rape, and massacre. The total number of people killed as a result has been estimated at between 1 and 1.5 million. Other indigenous and Christian ethnic groups such as the Assyrians, the Greeks and other minorities were similarly targeted for extermination by the Ottoman government, and their treatment is considered by many historians to be part of the same genocidal policy²

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

I've noticed Turks either deny the genocide completely or sometimes tacitly acknowledge it by seeking to justify it.

Is denial of the Armenian Genocide the same or similar to Holocaust denial?



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¹Rummel, RJ (1 April 1998), "The Holocaust in Comparative and Historical Perspective", The Journal of Social Issues 3 (2)

²http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

[Musso]

While Turks are beginning to talk openly about Armenian Genocide and accept it more, certain sectors of the Turkish population (esp the radical ones) still deny it. The worst thing is that Genocide denial is a Turkish State policy.

For example:

TURKISH HISTORIANS RECOGNIZING THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE:
Halil Berktay • Taner Akçam • Murat Belge • Ahmet Insel • Bulent Peker • Salim Deringil • Ercin Kursat Ahler • Ali Ertem • Murat Peker • Fatma Muge Gocek • Engin Akarli • Koray Caliskan • Dilek Kurban • Yunus Tuncel • Ugur Ümit Üngör

OVER 30.000 TURKS APOLOGIZE:
My conscience does not accept the insensitivity showed to and the denial of the Great Catastrophe that the Ottoman Armenians were subjected to in 1915. I reject this injustice and for my share, I empathize with the feelings and pain of my Armenian brothers and sisters. I apologize to them.

One of the most ironic things every said, is when Turkish PM, Erdogan said this:

Despite glaring evidence to the contrary, the Turkish prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, believes "it is not possible for those who belong to the Muslim faith to carry out genocide". Accordingly, he refuses to accept that Sudanese paramilitaries committed genocidal acts against the population of Darfur, or that Sudan's president, Omar al-Bashir, is guilty of the crimes for which he has been indicted by the International Criminal Court.

Basically not only does Erdogan's Government deny genocide, the PM proclaims that Muslims are incapable of doing genocide and defends war criminal Omar al-Bashir. That says a lot about the person in power in Turkey.

To your question, I do think Armenian Genocide Denial is similar to Holocaust Denial, similar tactics are used, and any Genocide denial is despicable as it just continues the Genocide for the victims.

[Rudel]

It's equally criminalized in France (though it's far from a good thing).

[Anglojew]

While Turks are beginning to talk openly about Armenian Genocide and accept it more, certain sectors of the Turkish population (esp the radical ones) still deny it. The worst thing is that Genocide denial is a Turkish State policy.

For example:

TURKISH HISTORIANS RECOGNIZING THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE:
Halil Berktay • Taner Akçam • Murat Belge • Ahmet Insel • Bulent Peker • Salim Deringil • Ercin Kursat Ahler • Ali Ertem • Murat Peker • Fatma Muge Gocek • Engin Akarli • Koray Caliskan • Dilek Kurban • Yunus Tuncel • Ugur Ümit Üngör

OVER 30.000 TURKS APOLOGIZE:
My conscience does not accept the insensitivity showed to and the denial of the Great Catastrophe that the Ottoman Armenians were subjected to in 1915. I reject this injustice and for my share, I empathize with the feelings and pain of my Armenian brothers and sisters. I apologize to them.

One of the most ironic things every said, is when Turkish PM, Erdogan said this:



Basically not only does Erdogan's Government deny genocide, the PM proclaims that Muslims are incapable of doing genocide and defends war criminal Omar al-Bashir. That says a lot about the person in power in Turkey.

To your question, I do think Armenian Genocide Denial is similar to Holocaust Denial, similar tactics are used, and any Genocide denial is despicable as it just continues the Genocide for the victims.

I agree. It's deplorable Israel hasn't recognised the genocide. They've put their interests above morality in this case.

[Anglojew]

It's equally criminalized in France (though it's far from a good thing).

I don't think either should be outlawed. I don't believe in censorship (except calling for violence). These issues should be discussed.

[Musso]

I agree. It's deplorable Israel hasn't recognised the genocide. They've put their interests above morality in this case.

I know many Israelis and Israeli politicians alike both recognize and want official recognition, but I guess it hasn't been done yet for the fear of Turkish backlash.

That being said:

Secret visit of Armenian speaker to Israel
9 July 2014 - 8:29pm
Peter Lyukimson, Israel. Exclusively for Vestnik Kavkaza

According to rumors in the political circles of Israel, the chairman of the Armenian parliament, Galust Saakyan, has recently visited the country.

The most interesting thing is that there was no official confirmation of the visit. The website of the Israeli Knesset and Israeli mass media didn’t report on it. At the same time, information on the visit was presented to Vestnik Kavkaza by a very reliable source.

The source states that Saakyan met some representatives of the top leadership of Israel and discussed two issues. The first touched on recognition of “the Armenian genocide” of 1915 by Israel, when its 100th anniversary will be marked. The second issue was devoted to military cooperation between Israel and Azerbaijan, which concerns Europe so much.

Political and diplomatic circles of Israel not only haven't commented on Saaksyan’s visit, but don’t even want to talk about it at all.

It should be noted that the positions of supporters of recognition of the genocide of 1915 by Israel have strengthened, as the newly-elected president Reuven Rivlin (his predecessor Shimon Peres thinks that Israel should be neutral on the issue), the speaker of the Knesset Yuli Edelstein, and the deputy Foreign Minister, Zaev Elkin, are supporters of the step.

Earlier, Elkin tried to provide official recognition of the genocide of 1915 through the parliamentary commission on education, but he was told that the issue should be considered by the commission on international affairs and defense. At the moment Zaev Elkin is the chairman of the commission, and this gives him certain advantages.

[wvwvw]

Not only turks deny the Armenian genocide, in which Armenians lost the bulk of their population but they continue their genocide to this day.

"Turkey's 16-year trade embargo against Armenia is one of the longest such sanctions in the world. Ankara enforced the embargo in solidarity with Azerbaijan"

The disastrous effects of the turkish embargo on the Armenian economy are multiplied by the fact that Armenia is a landlocked country with limited trade routes.

[wvwvw]

It's equally criminalized in France (though it's far from a good thing).

I think it's a good thing AS LONG AS Turkey continues to deny the genocide

[Anglojew]

Not only turks deny the Armenian genocide, in which Armenians lost the bulk of their population but they continue their genocide to this day.

"Turkey's 16-year trade embargo against Armenia is one of the longest such sanctions in the world. Ankara enforced the embargo in solidarity with Azerbaijan"

The disastrous effects of the turkish embargo on the Armenian economy are multiplied by the fact that Armenia is a landlocked country with limited trade routes.

They need to follow Israel's example after 70 years of the Arab Boycott. The boycott has had the opposite effect because Israel had to create it's own industries because it couldn't rely on others.

[wvwvw]

What i find comical is that Turkey was first country in the world to recognise a Bosnian genocide. Turks never miss a chance to call Serbs "butchers of the balkans", "genociders". "baby killers" etc and yet the deny a true holocaust that happened in their country.

It is also ironic how Kurds recognise their participation in the genocide and apologise but Turks do not. This fact has vastly improved the image of Kurds in my eyes. Kurds ARE more civilized than Turks after all.