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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    But it also says the 3 populations are closer to one another than to anyone else (which is contrary to the notion that Greeks are exactly like Sicilians).

    There are regions of Sicily that would come up like Malta and others that would not.
    Yes, the three populations are closer to each other than to others. And yes there probably would be some on each island that would be very close, but I'm talking general results from studies. Maltese on average are closer to Askenazis on average than to Sicilians, but like I said, it's only slight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isleño View Post
    Yes, the three populations are closer to each other than to others. And yes there probably would be some on each island that would be very close, but I'm talking general results from studies. Maltese on average are closer to Askenazis on average than to Sicilians, but like I said, it's only slight.
    And all three closer to one another than to the next closest group, Greeks.

    Maltese should be similar (and are) to people in Agrigento in SW Sicily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    And all three closer to one another than to the next closest group, Greeks.

    Maltese should be similar (and are) to people in Agrigento in SW Sicily.
    Yes that's true, the three are closer to each other than to the next closest group the Greeks, then the Tuscans, then the Albanians and others in the Balkans, etc. But yes, the three are closer to each other than to any others. As for if there are any Sicilians that would be exactly like Maltese, I'm sure. But at the same time, Malta will have it's extreme types too that probably will not be. Same for the Ashkenazis. But overall, the three are the closest to each other and among the three, the Maltese and Ashkenazis the closest followed by Sicilians.
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    What about mainland Southern Italians? How close are they to Sicilians, Maltese and Ashkenazim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isleño View Post
    Now that I remember Maltese and Sicilian genetic results, Maltese are actually closer to Ashkenazis than Sicilians with slightly less Northern Euro than Sicilians and slightly more North African. So I think what happened is they were Sicilian transplants that picked up more North African along the way and that NA addition probably cut down some of their DNA and some of the northern got the chop
    It's not hard to figure out why.

    If you take Sicilians from Messina and compare them to people from Malta and Gozo (the second largest island of the Republic of Malta), there will be differences, because Maltese peoples' ancestors did not come from Messina.

    If you take Sicilians from Syracuse, or Catania, the same story.

    But if you take Sicilians from Southern Trapani, Agrigento, and Caltanissetta, and you put their results next to a Maltese, they will look identical. Because Maltese are basically Southwestern Sicilians. That's where their families came from, and those areas coincidentally had the most Phoenician/Carthaginian/Arab/Berber admixture in Sicily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alfieb View Post
    It's not hard to figure out why.

    If you take Sicilians from Messina and compare them to people from Malta and Gozo (the second largest island of the Republic of Malta), there will be differences, because Maltese peoples' ancestors did not come from Messina.

    If you take Sicilians from Syracuse, or Catania, the same story.

    But if you take Sicilians from Southern Trapani, Agrigento, and Caltanissetta, and you put their results next to a Maltese, they will look identical. Because Maltese are basically Southwestern Sicilians. That's where their families came from, and those areas coincidentally had the most Phoenician/Carthaginian/Arab/Berber admixture in Sicily.
    Yes of course, that's what I was saying. But if we compares apples to apples, in which if we take a study sample of Sicilians and a study sample of Maltese, there will be differences of course. Coupling of like areas you could probably get an identical match, but not if we use these general samples in these studies that are taken from various parts of both islands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isleño View Post
    Yes of course, that's what I was saying. But if we compares apples to apples, in which if we take a study sample of Sicilians and a study sample of Maltese, there will be differences of course. Coupling of like areas you could probably get an identical match, but not if we use these general samples in these studies that are taken from various parts of both islands.
    While I'm not a fan of Eurogenes, he/Polako/David W does have separated West_Sicilian and East_Sicilian clusters. I'd imagine that's slightly better for a contrast with Maltese people than a generalized Sicilian cluster is, but being that I don't know of any Maltesers who have accounts on on GEDMatch, I can't really comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alfieb View Post
    While I'm not a fan of Eurogenes, he/Polako/David W does have separated West_Sicilian and East_Sicilian clusters. I'd imagine that's slightly better for a contrast with Maltese people than a generalized Sicilian cluster is, but being that I don't know of any Maltesers who have accounts on on GEDMatch, I can't really comment.
    Yes, that's probably best for getting a good comparison rather than a general sample. But you know most peer reviewed studies use a general sample made up of people from all over the location in question. But of course some have specialized reports on them. Also, there is a guy on here that is Maltese, you ask him if he has any results or gedmatch scores you could see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isleño View Post
    Yes, that's probably best for getting a good comparison rather than a general sample. But you know most peer reviewed studies use a general sample made up of people from all over the location in question. But of course some have specialized reports on them. Also, there is a guy on here that is Maltese, you ask him if he has any results or gedmatch scores you could see.
    Yeah, I know him pretty well. He's a good guy, sometimes we talk in pidgin Sicilian+Maltese+Italian but I don't think he's on Gedmatch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alfieb View Post
    Yeah, I know him pretty well. He's a good guy, sometimes we talk in pidgin Sicilian+Maltese+Italian but I don't think he's on Gedmatch.
    Do you speak any of those languages fluently?

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