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    Elina Mitina-Shigabutdinova (Tatarstan)


    Denis Akhmedzyanov (Khabarovsk)


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    Ethnic Tatars in Brussels, Belgium


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    Kazan, 1885


    A lithograph representing the Tatars of Kazan. F. K. Pauli, Description ethnographique des peuples de la Russe (St. Petersburg, 1862)


    On March 5, 1940, infantry corporal Hasan Abdrahim was wounded in his arm, shoulder and neck in battle against the Red Army at Skkijrvi, Niemenlautta. He died later the same day. He had been presented a Freedom Medal (Vapaudenmitali) 2nd class and his family received a posthumous Freedom Cross (Vapaudenristi) 4th class.


    Aisha Shvets (Ukraine)


    Chulpan Khamatova (Kazan)


    Bulat Gilvanov (Tatarstan)


    Marat Nailevich Izmailov (Moscow)


    Rudolf Khametovich Nureyev (Irkutsk)


    Charles Bronson (aka Karolis Bučinskis, Lipka Tatar)


    Devlet Giray, Khan of Crimean Khaganate





    Zulya Kamalova (Sarapul, Udmurtia)


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    Tatar babe from Odessa


    Marat Safin (Moscow)


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    Today's Tatars are heavily mixed. The Tatars in Tatarstan have heavily mixed with Russians similar to how Indians in the United States have heavily mixed with Anglos. Crimean Tatars are also mixed except this time they are largely mixed with Turkish blood, remnants from the Ottoman era. The only pure Tatars you can conceivably find are most likely in Dagestan or Chechnya where large populations of Avars and other remnants of the Golden Horde still live.


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    The Europeid Tatars are just Volga Bulgarians. There is no such thing as "Tatar" today, since that what reached Europe under the name "Tatar" with the Golden horde were just various tribes of Mongolian, Altaic and even Caucasian origin. The original Tatars lived in Mongolia, but Chengiz Khan actually killed many of them.
    There were quite many attempts to "Tatarize" Volga Bulgarians in Solviet times, including deportations, violence and the creation of the so called Tatarstan.
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    Yep, Kazan Tatars are just Kypchakized Volga Bulgars. Original Bulgars were Turkic too though, but ethnically highly mixed with Finno-Ugrians, Iranians and (later) Slavs, hence their pred.Euro phens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojn View Post
    The only pure Tatars you can conceivably find are most likely in Dagestan or Chechnya where large populations of Avars and other remnants of the Golden Horde still live.
    'Avars' in Dagestan have no relation with the Avars and Pseudo-Avars of ancient times. They are simply another Lezgian group of Caucasians, owing little if anything to the Turkic Stepnyaki. THey call themselves summat like Maarla, I dimly recall...
    Quote Originally Posted by Tabiti View Post
    The Europeid Tatars are just Volga Bulgarians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cail View Post
    Yep, Kazan Tatars are just Kypchakized Volga Bulgars.
    No... The Volga Bulgars are still there, they were just shoved aside and became the Chuvash. I'd say that the Tatars, while having a lot of Bulgar in them, ARE more Kypchak than you give them credit for. I'd also say that there's as much Volga-Finn in them as Bulgar, as well as ancient Magyar and more recent Slavonic input.

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    The Crimean Tatars are not mixed with Anatolian Turks. Instead they are mixed with the local Greek population and North Caucasians like the Circassian and related peoples. Since the Crimean Khanate extend into the Northern Caucasus. In general the Crimean Tatars have strongly kept their Mongolic features despite the fact they assimilated a lot of Greeks and Northern Caucasians. Some can look fully Asiatic, others are in between and some can look totally European.

    Comparing Tatars to the mixed Indians in America is wrong on so many levels. Since Russian did not intermix heavily with the Tatars, but there is indeed some Russian blood in the modern Tatars, but in the whole scheme of things it's minor at least in Kazan is true.

    Siberian and Chinese Tatars are always 100% Mongoloid. However they are all united by the Islamic faith, Turkic culture and langauge. Also Tatars in general are the most secular Muslims you find, and are very easy to assimilate into the local dominant culture.

    As for Dagestan it's region with many ethinc group, there is no single ethnic group called Dagestani. The ethnic groups are composed of Caucasian, Turkic, Iranic stocks. Also the name means Land of Mountains in Persian. The ethnic groups are Tashkurs, Laz, Avars those form the Caucasian bulk, the Nogai are Turkic ethnic group in Dagestan are fully Mongoloid and they trace their ancestry to the Golden Horde. The Kumyk another Turkic ethnic group but look Caucasoid and said to descent from the Khazars, the have R1a1 more so than any of the Caucasian ethnic groups who tend to have J1. The Iranic group is composed of Talysh, Kurds and Persians as well Tati Jews. So Dagestan has nothing to do with the Tatars.

    From what I know the Tatars are paternal, and often accept the child of a mixed union into the Tatar group, similar to Anatolian Turks, as long the father is a Tatar than so is the child. This clearly shows Islamic influence upon them.

    Tatar was also the name for all Muslims in Russia it did not matter what racial or ethnic stock they came from. Similar to how Moor was used in the West.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majar View Post


    Devlet Giray, Khan of Crimean Khaganate
    The inscription says his name is Sahib Giray. There were 2 Crimean khans of the name (in 1532-1551 and 1771-1775).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austrvegr View Post
    The inscription says his name is Sahib Giray. There were 2 Crimean khans of the name (in 1532-1551 and 1771-1775).
    The Giray were descendants of Gengis Khan or claimed to be so.

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