Atheism and Objectivism

**Aviator** · 08-13-2014, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes

Might as well believe in the existence of smurfs.

Which is none.

I don't quite take it to that extreme.

This sums me up well:

Guy: "Hey BlondeF22, do you believe in God?"

Me: "I don't know, and I don't really care."

**Svipdag** · 08-13-2014, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by BlondeF22

Atheists claim that they know for sure that no religion is true, thus, they are taking a leap of faith just like a religious person does.

EXACTLY ! In fact, Atheism requires at least as much faith as any "other" religion. This is why I have been an agnostic for 66 years. I know of no definitive proof that God does NOT exist. I know of no way to prove that God does NOT exist. Therefore, if I were to insist dogmatically that God does not exist, that assertion could only be based on strong FAITH in God's non-existence.

I have no such faith and, therefore, cannot be an Atheist. I am still amenable to persuasion either way, though, I must admit, that some of the curious "coincidences" in physics and cosmology lead me to suspect that the parameters of the primordial explosion and the values of the fundamental constants of physics have been "manipulated" to yield a universe fit for the existence of intelligent life.

**zhaoyun** · 08-13-2014, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Svipdag

EXACTLY ! In fact, Atheism requires at least as much faith as any "other" religion. This is why I have been an agnostic for 66 years. I know of no definitive proof that God does NOT exist. I know of no way to prove that God does NOT exist. Therefore, if I were to insist dogmatically that God does not exist, that assertion could only be based on strong FAITH in God's non-existence.

I have no such faith and, therefore, cannot be an Atheist. I am still amenable to persuasion either way, though, I must admit, that some of the curious "coincidences" in physics and cosmology lead me to suspect that the parameters of the primordial explosion and the values of the fundamental constants of physics have been "manipulated" to yield a universe fit for the existence of intelligent life.

THIS. I agree completely.

Frankly, I am not religious because I have not seen any proof to support any religious dogma. However, I am not arrogant to claim with full certainty that no supernatural force exists in this world, it very well may exist. However, I am almost certain that humans have not come to a full understanding of it, and certainly not with the man made constructs developed one or two millennia ago aka as religion.

**~~armenianbodyhair~~** · 08-13-2014, 02:26 AM

Absolutely. Agnosticism is the only certainty.

**Sakis** · 08-13-2014, 02:32 AM

The point is that those that believe in a god bear the burden of proof and not the opposite.This is the main argument of atheists.

**Tchek** · 08-13-2014, 03:29 AM

Atheism is the new fundamentalism. This is a growing phenomenon: I've seen self-proclaimed atheists (mostly university students in their 20's) going absolutely MENTAL when they hear someone considering the eventual existence of god. Let alone the actual French government which is pushing so-called "secularism" with the same zeal as medieval inquisitors...
Basically atheism (being Agnostic myself) follow the same codes and behaviours as religious fundamentalism, with their "Dogmas" and their struggle against "Heresies".

**Insuperable** · 08-13-2014, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes

I'm not an atheist but your argument is the equivalent of saying I'm taking a leap of faith when I say Zeus and the other ancient Greek gods don't exist. There has to be either evidence or a logical argument for a belief not to be tossed away as nonsense.

Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes

Might as well believe in the existence of smurfs.

Can the same be said when it just comes to the existence of God?

**Unome** · 08-13-2014, 02:42 PM

Atheists use science to judge the world, and often treat science like a religion.

Religious people use faith to judge the world.

**alfieb** · 08-13-2014, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by KeinMitleid

I agree. But I see your religious views are listed as agnostic. So in other words you base your spirituality on unsurity.

Anyone who claims to be an atheist is lying. There's just varying degrees of agnosticism. Even a guy like Dawkins admits that he's not a true atheist, because there's always that chance in the back of his mind.