EU to arm Kurds in Iraq

[legolasbozo]

England and france fucked muslim territories by sykes-picott allready, they have no right to talk any shit. İf you want help those people cut ties with uae and saudi arabia royals which helps isis to expand their fanatic "wahabi" mindset. Oh wait a minute it was you allready gave them throne to exploit muslim's oil.

When barzani made a deal with Turkey about transportation of iraqi kurdistan oil, United states and europeans against that and suddenly isis attacked kurdish areas, it this a coincidence? No, bloody hypocrities.

[Shah-Jehan]

Lol, as suggested by the dozens of anti-ottoman uprisings in the Middle East and the Balkans, and the countless crimes the ottoman Turks have committed against their subjects. Sorry, but turkish imperialism and genocide is still turkish imperialism and genocide. Independence is far more valuable than quality of life.

Yes, some minority populations of the Ottoman empire were rebellious in the latter stage of the empire's existence but, you have to remember that they have lived together with Turks for centuries in peace.

Yes, independence might be more valuable than quality of life but, Kurds and Arabs have neither really, they are separated by 22 states and kingdoms. Palestinians live under Jewish dominance and all other Arab nations under Western/US influence and dominance and some of them like Iraq have been robbed of their oil wealth through numerous wars.

[mikhail]

Yes, some minority populations of the Ottoman empire were rebellious in the latter stage of the empire's existence but, you have to remember that they have lived together with Turks for centuries in peace.

Yes, independence might be more valuable than quality of life but, Kurds and Arabs have neither really, they are separated by 22 states and kingdoms. Palestinians live under Jewish dominance and all other Arab nations under Western/US influence and dominance and some of them like Iraq have been robbed of their oil wealth through numerous wars.

It's rather sickening to think that you actually believe that some nationalities were better off occupied by some genocidal Islamists.

[Shah-Jehan]

It's rather sickening to think that you actually believe that some nationalities were better off occupied by some genocidal Islamists.

The post-tanzimat era Ottomans were very secular minded and the Turkish republic, one of the most secular of independent Muslim majority nations in existence.

[Loki]

The post-tanzimat era Ottomans were very secular minded and the Turkish republic, one of the most secular of independent Muslim majority nations in existence.

Thanks to Ataturk. I hope it stays that way.

[mikhail]

The post-tanzimat era Ottomans were very secular minded and the Turkish republic, one of the most secular of independent Muslim majority nations in existence.

South Slavic populations were heavily abused by the ottomans. In bulgaria, the ottomans would take the first born male child of every bulgarian family and convert him to islam while making him become a conscript known as an " enicher", after his training as a soldier in east turkey was completed, he would be sent back to bulgaria to become a member of a paramilitary group which would burn down bulgarian villages and kill Bulgarians unless they converted to islam. IN Serbia, Serbs would face torture and persecution unless they converted to islam, hence why Bosnia today is Islamic. The ottomans were savages who tried to wipe out the south Slavic population, it is sad that you think this was a good thing.

[Shah-Jehan]

South Slavic populations were heavily abused by the ottomans. In bulgaria, the ottomans would take the first born male child of every bulgarian family and convert him to islam while making him become a conscript known as an " enicher", after his training as a soldier in east turkey was completed, he would be sent back to bulgaria to become a member of a paramilitary group which would burn down bulgarian villages and kill Bulgarians unless they converted to islam. IN Serbia, Serbs would face torture and persecution unless they converted to islam, hence why Bosnia today is Islamic. The ottomans were savages who tried to wipe out the south Slavic population, it is sad that you think this was a good thing.

I think you are heavily biased and I was only talking about the Muslim populations, not the Christians.
You may be referring to the Janissary/Devshirme system but, that was abolished soon before the empire's end and in latter stages, most recruits were from the Ottoman Turkish high class because it was a very prestigious position to be in where one can later pursue a very promising political career as viziers, pashas and beys.

If the Ottomans really wanted to forcefully convert all of the balkans, most of the region would've been Musllim today, which would've actually been less profitable to the empire and not to mention heretic to Hanafi Muslim ideology.

[mikhail]

I think you are heavily biased and I was only talking about the Muslim populations, not the Christians.
You may be referring to the Janissary/Devshirme system but, that was abolished soon before the empire's end and in latter stages, most recruits were from the Ottoman Turkish high class because it was a very prestigious position to be in where one can later pursue a very promising political career as viziers, pashas and beys.

If the Ottomans really wanted to forcefully convert all of the balkans, most of the region would've been Musllim today, which would've actually been less profitable to the empire and not to mention heretic to Hanafi Muslim ideology.

In what way am I biased ? Do explain. The ottomans massacred thousands of men, women, and children in stara zagora, bulgaria in 1876 , as well as thousands more civilian Bulgarians slaughtered in Batak during the April uprising. My own great grandfather was killed by the Turks when they entered the town of manastir in 1913 (back then it was part of turkey ) to kill the bulgarian civilians, but luckily my great grandfather had helped the civilian population evacuate the village before the ottomans could arrive. The ottomans were monsters, the only reason why they did not convert the entire Balkan Peninsula to islam is because Muslims were exempt from taxation, and the ottomans needed the Christians of the Balkans to pay the bills.

[Shah-Jehan]

In what way am I biased ? Do explain. The ottomans massacred thousands of men, women, and children in stara zagora, bulgaria in 1876 , as well as thousands more civilian Bulgarians slaughtered in Batak during the April uprising. My own great grandfather was killed by the Turks when they entered the town of manastir in 1913 (back then it was part of turkey ) to kill the bulgarian civilians, but luckily my great grandfather had helped the civilian population evacuate the village before the ottomans could arrive. The ottomans were monsters, the only reason why they did not convert the entire Balkan Peninsula to islam is because Muslims were exempt from taxation, and the ottomans needed the Christians of the Balkans to pay the bills.

1) Sincere blessing to those who died but, that was because they were rebels who wanted to become independent from the Ottoman sultan and anyways, these incidents led to the Russo-Turkish war where many Muslims in the eastern balkans were slaughtered
2) Muslims had to pay the Zakat which Christians were exempt from, plus they had to enlist in the military, which Christians weren't required to do

[mikhail]

1) Sincere blessing to those who died but, that was because they were rebels who wanted to become independent from the Ottoman sultan and anyways, these incidents led to the Russo-Turkish war where many Muslims in the eastern balkans were slaughtered
2) Muslims had to pay the Zakat which Christians were exempt from, plus they had to enlist in the military, which Christians weren't required to do

They weren't rebels, they were mere civilians in Batak and Stara Zagora, the freedom fighters consisted of 40,000 men, most of which were located either on the serbian border or the romanian border, the ottomans slaughtered mostly civilians. Batak was located on the Greek border, most of the people in Batak were not armed. IT is not true that Christians were exempt from conscription,Christians also paid the most heavy bills.