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    Quote Originally Posted by Zavod34 View Post
    Some butthurt Baltic guy is down voting all the comments.
    Meanwhile in Tallinn, a new charade.

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    Estonia celebrates independence day
    http://www.baltictimes.com/news/arti.../#.U_di1fl5Pdk



    Estonia celebrates the 23rd anniversary of its regaining independence on Wednesday, Aug. 20 with a number of events in Tallinn and elsewhere, reports LETA.

    Most Estonian towns hold commemorative events as well as concerts and different public events to mark the day which has been a public holiday since.

    Estonian President Toomas Hendrik Ilves will hold a reception in his rose garden Wednesday evening.

    Dramatic developments in the Soviet Union in August 1991 resulted in the three Baltic States regaining their independence.

    On Aug. 20, 1991, the Supreme Council of Estonia, along with the leadership of the Estonian Committee agreed an "On the independence of the Estonian state and the establishment of the Constitutional Assembly," thus proclaiming the restoration of Estonian independence.
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    Sometimes I forget I am older than this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ars Moriendi View Post
    Meanwhile in Tallinn, a new charade.

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    Estonia celebrates independence day
    http://www.baltictimes.com/news/arti.../#.U_di1fl5Pdk



    Estonia celebrates the 23rd anniversary of its regaining independence on Wednesday, Aug. 20 with a number of events in Tallinn and elsewhere, reports LETA.

    Most Estonian towns hold commemorative events as well as concerts and different public events to mark the day which has been a public holiday since.

    Estonian President Toomas Hendrik Ilves will hold a reception in his rose garden Wednesday evening.

    Dramatic developments in the Soviet Union in August 1991 resulted in the three Baltic States regaining their independence.

    On Aug. 20, 1991, the Supreme Council of Estonia, along with the leadership of the Estonian Committee agreed an "On the independence of the Estonian state and the establishment of the Constitutional Assembly," thus proclaiming the restoration of Estonian independence.
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    Sometimes I forget I am older than this country.
    They still celebrate their day of "independence" and yet their foreign policy seems to be directed at making them lose their "independence".

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    Baltic countries in general seem to escape me. The only one I know enough about is Lithuania but they always did have a big impact on the region up until the Polish partitions.

    Overall, it seems that the fate of Latvia and Estonia is to dangle between a 1939 situation, either protectorates or outright annexation by the bear. (or, in this case, the hamburger)

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    for the war crimes Estonia has committed against the world by supporting the USA so loyally
    Bwhahahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zavod34 View Post
    Disgusting, Europe is being colonized by a non-white country (USA). Have the Estonians no sense of independence?
    In before first african negro rape.
    Out Of Africa Theory is a lie.
    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...88#post3431588
    And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

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    Another pearl from the Estonian foreign ministry. I skipped this 2 weeks ago but here it is:

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    Estonia Slams Switzerland for Not Imposing Sanctions on Russia

    ZURICH — Switzerland is acting in its own self interest by not imposing its own sanctions against Russia over Ukraine and gaining an advantage for its banking sector, Estonia's president said an interview with a Swiss newspaper published on Sunday.

    Last week, Switzerland extended measures to ensure it does not serve as a route to bypass European Union sanctions, but has decided against imposing its own sanctions to punish Russia for annexing Ukraine's Crimea peninsula or its support for rebels in eastern Ukraine.

    The country, current chair of the Organization for Cooperation and Security in Europe, has cited a need to stay neutral so as not to endanger its role as mediator between the two sides in the conflict.



    But critics say Switzerland, a popular destination for many rich Russians and a center for their banking and trading activities, is more interested in preserving its role as a global commodities hub that earns revenue from trade with Russia.

    "Switzerland must live with the criticism that they have only dispensed with their own sanctions to gain an advantage for its banking sector," Estonia's President Toomas Hendrik Ilves said in an interview with the SonntagsZeitung paper.

    As a non-EU member, Switzerland is under no obligation to impose the full sanctions package, although some of the EU measures will apply in Switzerland because it is a member of the 28-nation bloc's passport-free Schengen travel zone.

    Hendrik Ilves did not say whether EU member Estonia, which borders Russia, or the wider bloc were planning to increase pressure on Switzerland to act.

    Switzerland's government will hold its first cabinet meeting following a summer break on Wednesday and is expected to deliberate on measures against Russia, although some politicians have said it should stick to its current policy.

    Around 75 percent of Russian crude oil exports are traded through Geneva, according to the Swiss government, and Russian assets in Swiss banks stood at nearly 13.8 billion francs ($15.2 billion) in 2012, according to the Swiss National Bank.

    Germany's Foreign Ministry said at the end of July it wanted wider cooperation to pressure Russia for its support of separatists in Ukraine, adding that it had been in talks with non-EU countries such as Switzerland and Turkey.

    Hendrik Ilves said other countries who say they are neutral, such as Sweden and Ireland, have supported the sanctions: "The concept of neutrality is for me as empty today as ever before," he said. Both Sweden and Ireland are members of the EU.

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    Tallinn's governement is becoming the most anti-Russian voice in the world apparently. While everybody is starting to consider a negotiation, Estonia calls for even tougher sanctions.

    Estonia supports tougher sanctions against Russia amid Ukraine conflict
    http://www.baltictimes.com/news/arti.../#.VAFEO_l5Pdk

    Spoiler!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMalus View Post
    Baltic countries in general seem to escape me. The only one I know enough about is Lithuania but they always did have a big impact on the region up until the Polish partitions.

    Overall, it seems that the fate of Latvia and Estonia is to dangle between a 1939 situation, either protectorates or outright annexation by the bear. (or, in this case, the hamburger)
    I agree entirely. On top of their historical and political lack of weight, you also have to consider that Russians constitute a significant part of the current population of both Estonia and Latvia. 25% and 33% respectively if memory serves right. It contrasts vastly with Lithuania where they don't amount to more than 5%.
    It will always be necessary to address the Russian question. Only outcome that wouldn't entail an endless risk of annexation would be a well-defined, Moscow-agreed federalization.

    Otherwise, the sense of powerlessness and endless uncertainity will continue happening, just like today's Guardian entry attests:

    Ukraine crisis leaves Estonia feeling vulnerable and isolated – again
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...isolated-again
    Obama's visit will do little to lift the small Baltic state's familiar feelings of powerlessness next to its Russian neighbour

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    The last comment is rich and typical of postmodern consumers, which is after all, the fate of Estonia under the US-led order.

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    The FSB seemingly caught an Estonian police officer, and charged him with espionage.
    Evidently Tallinn has denied it. Adding fuel to the hostilities.


    Russia says detained Estonian police officer is a spy
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...e-eston-kohver
    Moscow holds Eston Kohver for 'undercover intelligence mission' but Tallinn says he was investigating cross-border crime
    Spoiler!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zavod34 View Post
    Disgusting, Europe is being colonized by a non-white country (USA). Have the Estonians no sense of independence?
    It's not like it's a new thing. Most European nations are covered by American bases, and some European armies are under direct American command (I think it's the case for Italy).

    I personally considered any station of a foreign regiment as an invasion and a casus belli.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zavod34 View Post
    What Estonia deserves (in my opinion, anyway ) is to become an oblast in russia as punishment for the war crimes Estonia has committed against the world by supporting the USA so loyally.
    Collective punishment is rarely a wise course of action.

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