View Poll Results: Is Romania Eastern,Central or Southern/Southeastern(Balkan)

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    For IncelSlayer, read this, that was almost 20 years before Kosovo war:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_protests_in_Kosovo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    After Tito's death and detoriating conditions on Kosovo Albanians were massively discriminated, thrown out from Universities, not allowed to find decent or important jobs.

    And it all culminated when Milošević erased Kosovo authonomy when he seized power.

    Serbs in Croatia never had autonomy, but they were absolute elite. All police officers, almost all executives, dierctors, even teachers, were Serbs.

    Did you know on Serb weddings close to Karlovac they all shooted from guns to celebrate, while no ethnic Croat except UDBA member was ever able to get documents to carry a weapons ?

    That is how it was.

    1980s years are know for raised violence against Serbs on Kosovo, many Serbs were selling their houses and leave Kosovo because of terror and there are many testimonials about that. Albanians would even force or blackmail them to sell their houses to them.

    Problem with Kosovo autonomy was that when Serbs would want to come to police or court to say they are terrorized by their neighbour Albanians they would come to Albanian policemen and Albanian judge who wouldn't care for that case. And that was the only court with Pristina as center where they could reffer those cases, not to court from Belgrade. That is why that autonomy was bad and discriminative for Serbs and it is abandoned after Tito's death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    1980s years are know for raised violence against Serbs on Kosovo, many Serbs were selling their houses and leave Kosovo because of terror and there are many testimonials about that. Albanians would even force or blackmail them to sell their houses to them.

    Problem with Kosovo autonomy was that when Serbs would want to come to police or court to say they are terrorized by their neighbour Albanians they would come to Albanian policemen and Albanian judge who wouldn't care for that case. And that was the only court with Pristina as center where they could reffer those cases, not to court from Belgrade. That is why that autonomy was bad and discriminative for Serbs and it is abandoned after Tito's death.
    I don't know about that, but I believe you.

    Just the problem is, Albanians became absolute majority, they are younger population than South Slavs, they were second class citizens in Slavic country, it is natural that was bad solution for them.
    Slovenes felt the same. They felt heavily discriminated because they needed to learn Serbo-Croatian language, but we never had to learn theirs.

    How many Serbs speak Albanian on Kosovo as second language ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    I don't know about that, but I believe you.

    Just the problem is, Albanians became absolute majority, they are younger population than South Slavs, they were second class citizens in Slavic country, it is natural that was bad solution for them.
    Slovenes felt the same. They felt heavily discriminated because they needed to learn Serbo-Croatian language, but we never had to learn theirs.

    How many Serbs speak Albanian on Kosovo as second language ?
    I suppose many Serbs from Kosovo know Albanian language at least basic knowledge. The same is in Vojvodina where many Serbs know basic Hungarian or Romanian.

    Also there is one problem with your definition. You compared Slovenes with Albanians. Slovenes were one of 6 nations in Yugoslavia. Albanians had status of minority like Hungarians or Romanians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    I don't know about that, but I believe you.

    Just the problem is, Albanians became absolute majority, they are younger population than South Slavs, they were second class citizens in Slavic country, it is natural that was bad solution for them.
    Slovenes felt the same. They felt heavily discriminated because they needed to learn Serbo-Croatian language, but we never had to learn theirs.

    How many Serbs speak Albanian on Kosovo as second language ?
    Albanians were elite in Kosovo in the last 200 years of Ottoman rule.
    Mass Albanian migration from Albania to Kosovo happened in late 17th and 18th century. Some Albanians were already muslims when they arrived to Kosovo, and some were Christians and converted to islam when they arrived to Kosovo. Vast majority of Albanians in Kosovo were and are muslims. In Ottoman sharria system they had privileges, most of beys and pashas in Kosovo in the last 200 years of Ottoman rule were ethnic Albanians. When Serbia defeated Ottomans in 1912 and remove them from Kosovo, Albanian lost their privilegies which had in Ottoman sharria system as muslim population. Loss of privileges which had in Ottoman empire was the reason for Albanian uprising in Kosovo in 1912-13, and in twenties.
    When Albania formed in 1912 group of muslim Albanians in central Albania raised an armed uprising against Albanian state, because the wanted to be part of Ottoman emipe.
    Albanian nationalism is young. It was formed after 1930 with support of Musolini and Hitler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    Here is Britannica as source: https://www.britannica.com/place/Ser...iety#ref477254

    The disintegration of Ottoman rule


    It is quite clear Dardania/Kosovo was inhabited by native Balkan people before the Slavic invasion, and those were ancestors of modern Albanians. And ofcourse some were Slavicised in the process.
    Area was part of medieval Serbia for some time, and it was clear Slavic population was quite numerous which changed after Austro-Turkish wars in which Serbs joined to the Habsburgs.

    It does not change the fact today Kosovo is Albanian, and has every right to exist as state, and that Serbs did discriminate Albanians and committed lot of bad things there.

    Croatia recognised Kosovo, and so will Serbia quite soon.
    Albanians in Kosovo also fought on the Austrian side, both Muslims and Christians. This is recorded. I have it in a Book here on the history of Kosovo. Since Albanians also sided with Austrians then it must of affected Albanians too ?

    The great migration barely included 30,000 people . It wasn't enough to of changed the demographics of Kosovo and surely Serbs weren't the only people to of migrated.

    Austro Turkish war had not much impact on demographics of Kosovo. You see an increase of Albanians in the area even before such a war. And it was not because of any migrations from Northern Albania since such migrations at that time were not even recorded. Malsors started settling later. They mostly fled blood feuds or were expelled out of Malsia and settled in Kosovo.

    Slavs were numerous even in todays Albania. You also had the Bulgarians that expanded. Slav isn't synonymous with Serb.

    Kosovo was under medieval Serbs for only 200 years more or less. Out of all the empires, the so called Serbian Empire were the least to hold it.

    The Bulgarians, Ottomans, Romans, and possibly even Byzantium all held it longer.. At least the three first. This goes against the Serbian claim that Kosovo was always Serbian and that it's the cradle of the Serbs. Serbs settled in the Balkans around 6th century. Kosovo they did not get until around 12th - 13th century and held it for 200 years maybe.

    If it had been Serbian for thousands of years then I would understand. But we are looking at something different. They occupied Kosovo in 1912 more or less. The area by then was pred. Albanian and the Albanian Muslims there had defeated the Turks. Kosovo would of just been a part of Albania that formed at that time had it not been Serbian occupation which caused later problems.

    They colonised the area and expelled Albanians from there and neighbouring areas. They denied people basic rights, denied the Albanian language, etc. They wanted to make it Serbian. They also wanted the coast of Albania.

    Today's problems are the result of that occupation.

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