Question about R1b ?

[Borna]

Is it true that R1b-U106 carriers are Germanized Celts and not true Indo-European Germanic ? I have seen this theory several times, can someone confirm it ?

[Jackson]

It's unknown, it's distribution correlates quite well with Germanic speakers (particularly West Germanic speakers) but nobody really knows what groups originally spread it, as most of that area also contained Celtic speakers at some point. While R1b turned up in Bell Beaker remains in Germany, they weren't U106.

[Borna]

Bump

[Guapo]

Is it true that R1b-U106 carriers are Germanized Celts and not true Indo-European Germanic ? I have seen this theory several times, can someone confirm it ?

I think so, I've read that as well but it's most common with Germanics though.

[Cody Gearhart]

My Paternal Haplogroup is R-U198 which is a mutation from R-U106 as i have R-U106 as well.

[Vesuvian Sky]

Its a theory based naturally on limited data at the moment. But its basis partly stems from the notion that Baltic, Slavic and Germanic all broke break off from the Yamna culture during the Corded Ware culture. This rather famous IE phyologenetic tree illustrates this theory fairly well:



Likewise, Proto-Celtic and Italic naturally are considered from the same pre-proto source and nowadays are seen to be derived from the Bell Beaker culture.

[Proto-Shaman]

Is that R1b line one of the three founding lines for the IE centum Germanics? If yes, then it's native Germanic, if not, then Germanized.

[Cody Gearhart]

Is that R1b line one of the three founding lines for the IE centum Germanics? If yes, then it's native Germanic, if not, then Germanized.

are you replying to what i said earlier?

[TheForeigner]

Celts are Indo-European too and I thought that linguistically closer to Germanics than were Balts or Slavs.

[Vesuvian Sky]

Celts are Indo-European too and I thought that linguistically closer to Germanics than were Balts or Slavs.

It depends on which phylogenetic theory you follow. Some do suggest Celtic, Italic, and Germanic are indeed closer like this one:



The reasons for a closer Balto-Slavic-Germanic unity are complicated and in short, has to do with the notion that Balto-Slavic was an incompletely satemized sub-branch.