Classify Kostas Mitroglu

[Trun]

He is not turkish,he is a gypsie from greece.

Then why does he have Anatolian Greek surname?

[Sikeliot]

I don't believe he is ethnic greek, but that doesn't mean we can't talk about his genetics.

I'm asking because you imply that Sicilians are the original 'natives' when they themselves have a lot of north african components on this calculator.

I don't know that one really has much to do with the other. I don't think Sicilians are purely Greek at all, but they are close genetically to Aegean islanders and that is significant.

Either way I think the only way to accurately guess this guy's genetics is to know first what he is. Is he Anatolian Greek? Or is he Gypsy?

[Sikeliot]

I think he considers himself an ethnic Greek.

I could call myself king of the universe but it still wouldn't be true

[Stefan_Dusan]

I don't know that one really has much to do with the other. I don't think Sicilians are purely Greek at all, but they are close genetically to Aegean islanders and that is significant.

Either way I think the only way to accurately guess this guy's genetics is to know first what he is. Is he Anatolian Greek? Or is he Gypsy?

I don't think there is way to know. So let give me two cases, if he is gypsy or if he is anatolian greek, what do you think above breakdown would be in both cases?

From what I saw, Ionian islanders would be most similar, but without the north african component. Aegean islanders have a higher Caucasian component than Sicilians.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Then why does he have Anatolian Greek surname?

Gigolo has a Serbian surname, I'm sure plenty of Bulgarian gypsys have Bulgarian names. Does he look Greek to you? I never met a Greek who looked like him.

[Trun]

Greek gypsy - half Southern Balkan, half South Asian genetically
Anatolian Greek - half Southern Balkan, half West Asian genetically

Swarthy in both cases, in the first with non Euro features.

Gigolo has a Serbian surname, I'm sure plenty of Bulgarian gypsys have Bulgarian names. Does he look Greek to you? I never met a Greek who looked like him.

If he was a local gypsy from Kavala, his surname wouldn't end in -oglu which is unique for Anatolian Greeks.

[Sakis]

Then why does he have Anatolian Greek surname?

First of all it is not an anatolian greek surname,it is turkish and secondly all of the gypsies in greece have greek surnames.

[Sikeliot]

I don't think there is way to know. So let give me two cases, if he is gypsy or if he is anatolian greek, what do you think above breakdown would be in both cases?

From what I saw, Ionian islanders would be most similar, but without the north african component. Aegean islanders have a higher Caucasian component than Sicilians.

If he is Gypsy he is probably 20% South Central Asian, 40% Caucasus, 15% Near East and the rest a breakdown of European elements. If he is Anatolian Greek he is probably 40% Caucasian, 10% Near Eastern, 10-15% South Central Asian and so on.

Ionian islanders should be closer to mainland Greeks, except slightly less Northern. They probably don't have as much of the Near Eastern as do Sicilians. Where did you see any Ionian Greek results?

The thing with comparing Aegean islanders to Sicilians is, the increase in Caucasus is met by a decrease in North African of roughly equal magnitude. Thus, they end up close to the same place on a PCA plot and the same amount European vs non-European.

[Leto]

I could call myself king of the universe but it still wouldn't be true

Well, it's not the same to me. He was born in Greece, his native language is Greek and he must have been baptized an Orthodox Christian. He also plays for Greece. You can't say he's completely foreign to Greece. I don't think ethnicity is ONLY a matter of self-identification, but it's still of high importance.

[Stefan_Dusan]

The thing with comparing Aegean islanders to Sicilians is, the increase in Caucasus is met by a decrease in North African of roughly equal magnitude. Thus, they end up close to the same place on a PCA plot and the same amount European vs non-European.

Yes, but they are different. They have different components, when you mix them together they plot similarly but they're still different.

My guess is that in either 2 cases, he will be 10% European hunter gather, 25% european farmer.

The difference is his non European components, his Caucasian would probably be 40% of he is gypsy, and 60% if he is Anatolian. His South Central Asian and Near East would be elevated in both cases.

So he is one the least slavicized person of the Balkans