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    Quote Originally Posted by Empecinado View Post
    And Milan was under Spanish rule for almost 200 years.
    True.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empecinado View Post
    These are anti-Spanish stereotypes and scapegoats, if you look at history you see that Spain has been for most of history a very organized country. And Milan was under Spanish rule for almost 200 years.
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    True.
    first time I hear about that.

    I remember my history's teacher saying something like 'well we're going to skip some lessons because we're out of time and it's not really important'.

    I passed history exams with good marks though.

    'Así va España', like they say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B01AB20 View Post
    first time I hear about that.

    I remember my history's teacher saying something like 'well we're going to skip some lessons because we're out of time and it's not really important'.

    I passed history exams with good marks though.

    'Así va España', like they say.
    One of the oldest and bests Tercios, el Tercio de Lombardía, was quartered there (hence the name). But yes, 99% don't even know that, the educational nivel is mierdoso...

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    Quote Originally Posted by B01AB20 View Post
    first time I hear about that.
    I remember my history's teacher saying something like 'well we're going to skip some lessons because we're out of time and it's not really important'.
    I passed history exams with good marks though.
    'Así va España', like they say.
    Quote Originally Posted by Empecinado View Post
    One of the oldest and bests Tercios, el Tercio de Lombardía, was quartered there (hence the name). But yes, 99% don't even know that, the educational nivel is mierdoso...

    The Duchy of Milan was under direct Spanish control from 1535 to 1706. The Spanish domination in Milan lasted more than the Austrian one (1706-1797). In addition, under the direct control of the Spanish there was also a microstate within the Grand Duchy of Tuscany called State of Presidii (1557-1707), and then a strong influence on other Italian states (the Republic of Genoa, Grand Duchy of Tuscany itself, the Papal State) that were forced to follow the foreign policy of Spain.

    However, the negative judgments mainly concern The Kingdom of Naples: some negative reviews are founded, others do not. Regarding Milan, the Austrian control has occurred probably in a more crucial moment, during the spread of the enlightenment, so in the Austrian case some historians speak of enlightened absolutism. But to be honest also the Kingdom of Naples had its period, but shorter, of enlightened absolutism.

    I promessi sposi, most famous historical novel written by Alessandro Manzoni, is set in northern Italy during the years under Spanish rule. And in Milan, in memory of Spanish rule, there are still so-called Bastioni Spagnoli, or what's left of it. According to wikipedia these are what remains of the Spanish walls of Milan.

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    Because Italy has world-famous designer brands and automobiles. What the fuck do Spaniards have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate_Hound View Post
    Because Italy has world-famous designer brands and automobiles. What the fuck do Spaniards have?
    In Marxist philosophy, the term commodity fetishism describes the relationships of production and exchange as social relationships among things (money and merchandise) and not as relationships among people. As a form of reification, commodity fetishism presents value as inherent to the commodities, and not arising from the interpersonal relations that produced the commodity.[1][2] Commodity fetishism is presented in the first chapter of Capital: Critique of Political Economy (1867) to explain that the social organization of labour is mediated through market exchange, the buying and selling of goods and services (commodities); thus, capitalist social relations among people—who makes what, who works for whom, the production-time for a commodity, etc.—are social relations among objects.[3]

    At market, the commodities appear in a depersonalized form as separate exemplars of commodities, which obscures the social-relations of production.[4] Marx explained the sociology of commodity fetishism:

    As against this, the commodity-form, and the value-relation of the products of labour, within which it appears, have absolutely no connection with the physical nature of the commodity and the material relations arising out of this. It is nothing but the definite social relation, between men, themselves, which assumes here, for them, the fantastic form of a relation between things. In order, therefore, to find an analogy, we must take flight into the misty realm of religion. There the products of the human brain appear as autonomous figures endowed with a life of their own, which enter into relations, both with each other and with the human race. So it is in the world of commodities with the products of men's hands. I call this the fetishism which attaches itself to the products of labour as soon as they are produced as commodities, and is, therefore, inseparable from the production of commodities

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate_Hound View Post
    Because Italy has world-famous designer brands and automobiles. What the fuck do Spaniards have?
    We have brown immigrants like you. Does that count?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nolo View Post
    So the internet is not real life and all the negative comments from Italians are all fake? Do you not believe that the truth is easier to come out when you can say it anonymously online? Wouldnt that make it more real? I posted that thread from Italicroots about Iberians and I'm sure I could find some on here and other sites
    Italians really loves Spanish people, this is a fucking bullshit, litterally, 3 retards in a forum do not make the opinion of an entire nation, And I noticed (in Spain) that the Spanish also appreciate Italy, I lost count of how many friends I made in Spain when I went, hyper-hospitable and warm, really nice people, it's literally a pseudo-war between racists who is consumed on the Internet, the reality is different

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