What proportion of Mexicans and White Americans could pass reasonably well in each others' countries

[Isleño]

What do you think of this other group? They fall more on the ''darker'' side, which are far more common. According to Sikeilot they look like Greeks and Turks.

I agree, these types of white Mexicans are more common with darker hair. All of these people look extremely similar to the whites you find in Louisiana whom are mainly of a French/Spanish mix. But it makes sense since many white Mexicans are of the same mix. If I didn't know these where Mexicans and you told me these were Louisianians, I would believe it 100%.

[Isleño]

Most Mexicans don't look like Barrera nor like Araceli Arambula.

I never said most Mexicans look like Barrera or Arambula. I said if he couldn't make the distinction between these two obvious different races, something is wrong.

Araceli Arambula's parents are mestizos.

Araceli with her mom Soccoro Jacques.


With her dad

There are Southern Europeans like that. I've got some in my own family. You can find people like that in Spain and I've even seen Italians like that in the community several miles from my own. Actually, most Spaniards I know personally don't have the "fino" type features like Araceli, but the "grueso" type features closer to her parents. But besides, did you see all the photos that Bravado posted of all those whites? There are obviously white Mexican people, I don't know why you are trying to deny this.

[RMuller]

There are Southern Europeans like that. I've got some in my own family. You can find people like that in Spain and I've even seen Italians like that in the community several miles from my own. Actually, most Spaniards I know personally don't have the "fino" type features like Araceli, but the "grueso" type features closer to her parents.

Both of Araceli's parents are mestizos her mom infact looks to be 60% amerindian. I will post her parents and ask the Spaniards if her parents can pass in Spain.

[Bahaman]

White Americans = Keltic Nordid(Male) and North Atlantid(Female)

White Mexicans = Atlantids and Atlanto-meds.

[Isleño]

Both of Araceli's parents are mestizos her mom infact looks to be 60% amerindian. I will post her parents and ask the Spaniards if her parents can pass in Spain.

Do you have their DNA tests? Certainly there are white Mexicans. I came across some 23andme results of Mexicans and in certain areas (especially Jalisco and the surrounding areas) there were large amounts of results that were in the 90%+ range, many of which were in the high 90's like 97% Euro. I think you are exaggerating Araceli's parents to fit your argument. Did you see all the whites Bravado posted? Surely there are white Mexicans.

[RMuller]

Do you have their DNA tests? Certainly there are white Mexicans.

Araceli Araumbula's parents are not white Mexicans. Her mom looks to "Indiada".

I came across some 23andme results of Mexicans and in certain areas (especially Jalisco and the surrounding areas) there were large amounts of results that were in the 90%+ range, many of which were in the high 90's like 97% Euro.

Araceli Arambula's parents are not from El Bajio.

I think you are exaggerating Araceli's parents to fit your argument.

Nope.

Did you see all the whites Bravado posted? Surely there are white Mexicans.

They must be of foreign ancestry then.

[hipaware]

A thought-provoking debate. Given that the change in average phenotype when you crossover the Rio Grande is arguably among the sharpest in the world, and not to mention all the Mexican immigration to the US, I thought this would be an intriguing topic.

You're wrong about that one. There's a sharper phenotype divide between some areas of the Canadian/US Border than between the US/Mexican border. As the majority of people who live between the US/Mexico are of Mexican origin. I have been to both The US/Canada and US/Mexico border on the West Coast. And the Canadian border divide was a bit sharper

The British Columbia/Washington phenotypical divide is quite sharp as Vancouver has a much larger East/South Asian descended presence than Washington State and less Afram presence than Washington. And the Quebec/New York/New Hampshire/Maine/Vermont border is another divide, although many people are of French Canadian descent in the border areas.

[Isleño]

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Araceli Araumbula's parents are not white Mexicans. Her mom looks to "Indiada".

I don't think so. She could pass in my community. This is nothing more than opinions since we don't have their DNA tests. Also, there's possibilities of Lebanese ancestry and even if there was some Amerind, it's probably small enough to be in the acceptable range for white New Worlders.

Araceli Arambula's parents are not from El Bajio.

Doesn't matter. There are DNA results from several white Mexicans from several areas of Mexico that are floating around and are in the 90%+ range. Even ones that are 95-98% on average.

Nope.

Yes.

They must be of foreign ancestry then.

I doubt all of those white Mexicans were of foreign ancestry that Bravado posted. I don't know why you think white Mexicans don't exist when clearly they do. There are up to 17 million whites in Mexico.

[RMuller]

I don't think so. She could pass in my community. This is nothing more than opinions since we don't have their DNA tests. Also, there's possibilities of Lebanese ancestry and even if there was some Amerind, it's probably small enough to be in the acceptable range for white New Worlders.

Araceli Arambula's mother is very indiada and amerindian subtype is istmid . She is more liekly 50% indigena. Compare her to some Mexicans with pics and DNA results.

This India- mestiza is only 32% euro and looks more whitier than Araceli's mother.Are we going to blame the india-mestizas looks on some suppose "lebanese" ancestry?






The guy is Mexican and is only 57& european and looks why whitier than Araceli's mother.





Mexican granny 70% european. Araceli's mother next to her looks like a full blown Indigena.






Mexican only 66% european and looks way more european than Araceli's mother.

[Odin]

Mexicans: 1-2%.

White Americans: 3-4%.