Should Republika Srpska secede from BiH and join Serbia?

[Dušan]

What is Serbia's view on Republika Srpska? Do they want it to become part of Serbia or not?
I have heard some people saying that Serbia didn't want bosnian Serbs to be a part of Serbia, during the war.

Joining Serbia or independence of Republika Srpska.
Both options are great.

[Atlantic Reptilian]

Joining Serbia or independence of Republika Srpska.
Both options are great.

Thanks for clarifying!

[Dušan]

I'm not knowledgeable about the Balkans.

Are Serbs from Bosnia native to the land they live in or rather recent immigrants/colonists?
Have the Serb-Bosniak identity always been different?

Of course they are native in Bosnia-Herzegovina, and until 1971 they were more even more numerous than Bosnian Muslims.

Here are the results of first modern census in Bosnia, from 1879.

The 1879 population census in Bosnia and Herzegovina was the first census of the population of Bosnia and Herzegovina taken during the Austro-Hungarian occupation.


Type Number Percentage
Orthodox Christians 496,485 42.88%
Sunni Muslims 448,613 38.73%
Catholics 209,391 18.08%
Jews 3,426 0.29%
Others 249 0.02%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1879_p...nd_Herzegovina


Here are table with first 6 censuses in Bosnia - from 1879 to 1931:

[Varda]

I'm not knowledgeable about the Balkans.

Are Serbs from Bosnia native to the land they live in or rather recent immigrants/colonists?
Have the Serb-Bosniak identity always been different?

Serbs are native in BiH, they live in present day BiH since early middle age.

Serbia before second half of 12th century was more at the territory of modern Bosnia and Herzegovina than modern Serbia.

[Atlantic Reptilian]

I'm not knowledgeable about the Balkans.

Are Serbs from Bosnia native to the land they live in or rather recent immigrants/colonists?
Have the Serb-Bosniak identity always been different?

Yes, I believe they are native.

Just to make it easier for you with the terms:

Bosnian Serb: A Serb from Bosnian lands (orthodox christian)

Bosniak = Bosnian muslim: A muslim from Bosnia.


I would personally also say that the Bosniak ethnogenesis is very complicated. There are Bosniaks who are indigenous to the Balkans, there are Slavs, there are also people who assimilated into the Bosniak identity as immigrants during different times.
The place where my paternal ancestry is from had Saxon immigrant workers during the medieval ages.

I can't speak for Bosnian Serbs

[Varda]

Yes, I believe they are native.

Just to make it easier for you with the terms:

Bosnian Serb: A Serb from Bosnian lands (orthodox christian)

Bosniak = Bosnian muslim: A muslim from Bosnia.


I would personally also say that the Bosniak ethnogenesis is very complicated. There are Bosniaks who are indigenous to the Balkans, there are Slavs, there are also people who assimilated into the Bosniak identity as immigrants during different times.
The place where my paternal ancestry is from had Saxon immigrant workers during the medieval ages.

I can't speak for Bosnian Serbs

Genetic members of Drobnjak clan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drobnjaci) who are I1-FGC22045 and have Norman paternal line are mostly Serbs, but some are Bosniaks (descendants of islamized Drobnjaks) around Prijepolje, in eastern Bosnia and Cazinska Krajina https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-FGC22045/

Haplotype of Drobnjaks was founded in skeleton of duke Nikola Rašković Drobnjak in grave/stećak in Cernica near Gacko from 14/15th century https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cernica_(Gacko)

[Dušan]

I mean like if you compare two different people's ID card from France and someone's name is François Petit and the other is François Müller, you can immediately tell one is ethnically French and the other is German even though both are native of France.

By names it is very easy to distinguish Serbs and Bosniaks.
Serbs have by origin Slavic, biblical and Greek names, Bosniaks have by origin Arab, Turkish and Persian names.

[Dušan]

So Bosniaks are actually ethnic Serbs who converted to Islam during Ottoman's reign? Or they have always been a related by different ethnicity?

Most of them, yes.

After testing, we founded that ex forum member Bosniensis and I have the same haplogroup subclade and origin by paternal line from same tribe.
So, there were two sons some 500 years ago, one adopted islam for privileges during Ottoman ocupation, another son remain Orthodox Christian.

But after islamisation of part of population, there were no intermariages for centuries between two groups, and they lived in separate villages, forming separate societes next to each other.

[Atlantic Reptilian]

And the Bosniaks indigenous to the Balkans were initially referred as Serbs or always had a separate identity?
Have Bosniaks and Bosnian Serbs any difference other than religion? Do they speak different unintelligible languages and have different surnames? I mean like if you compare two different people's ID card from France and someone's name is François Petit and the other is François Müller, you can immediately tell one is ethnically French and the other is German even though both are native of France.

I would personally say that they weren't referred as Serbs because they had their own identity before they became islamized (before occupation by Ottoman empire).
I personally haven't met many Bosnian Serbs. But from my experience I would say that they look similar, and have similar variations.
I think there is little difference in language (except for religious phrases etc.). You wouldn't hear a Serb say "Mashallah"

For Bosniaks, they tend to have Islamic or Islamic influenced names. Some are hybrids between Slavic and Islamic.
But Islamic names are one of the most common. But Slavic names are still known very well and people know their meaning (like meaning of Vlad- etc.).
But it's not always 100% correct. There are christians with muslim-sounding names (dunno why).

[Atlantic Reptilian]

Most of them, yes.

After testing, we founded that ex forum member Bosniensis and I have the same haplogroup subclade and origin by paternal line from same tribe.
So, there were two sons some 500 years ago, one adopted islam for privileges during Ottoman ocupation, another son remain Orthodox Christian.

But after islamisation of part of population, there were no intermariages for centuries between two groups, and they lived in separate villages, forming separate societes next to each other.

But that's because I2a is indigenous to the Balkans?
I haven't made any testing but I wouldn't be surprised if mine was R1a.
My paternal ancestors look proto-nordid/proto-slavic.