MRM

[Immortal Technique]

What i can say,it's a bullshit like always

[Unome]

That wasn't exactly the impression I got.
http://www.vice.com/vice-profiles/th...s-movement-751

I heard rumor that Karen Straughan is single-mother of a boy and a leading voice to MRA/MRM ideology:

[Leo Iscariot]

They raise a lot of good points of stuff that feminists don't care about, but they're more e-activists than anything.

[armenianbodyhair]

I heard rumor that Karen Straughan is single-mother of a boy and a leading voice to MRA/MRM ideology:

The girl with the short hair seems pretty smart, but not the other one, and not the other women in the documentary. At one point one of them said "wow (one of the other girls int he movement) looks like she just got raped" because she was smiling. It seems like for every good person in the movement there is a bad one, which is not good, because there are some things they say which need to be heard and taken seriously.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Things that MRM should work on:

- Breaking down the stereotype of a 'good father' being one who goes out to work to provide for his family;
- Breaking down traditional stereotypes of masculinity;
- Making sure that men have the chance to gain legal custody of children in cases of divorce if they're fit to do so;
- Increasing awareness of male rape/domestic violence and raising the profile of organizations that help male survivors.

I'm sorry but all of these except one is silly at best and insulting at worst. You're basically asking men to fight for the right to emasculate themselves.

Things that make MRM come across as bullshit:

- Saying that it's the job of the woman to protect herself from rape then complain because they are afraid of being out alone and assuming 'all men are rapists';
- Wanting the right to legally opt out of paternity;
- When they say that men are treated too harshly in case of rape allegation and facilitate perpetrator sympathising;
- In general, the belief that straight, white men are the most oppressed and underrepresented class in society. Hell no!

In conclusion, MRM would be more valid if they focused on problems that actually mattered and stopped bullshitting around and perpetuating male privilege.

If a man is accused of rape, he's treated as if he committed the crime until proven otherwise. All a woman has to say is "rape" and the next thing the guy knows he's in a cell. It's automatically assumed to be true. How many times has a woman made a false accusation because she's angry at the guy and how many women have gotten away with making a false accusation? Something to think about. Just ask the lead singer of Modest Mouse how that goes.

It's an allegation that was withdrawn, and of course that didn't get any press. It was complete and utter bullshit, and the whole situation was so complicated that it's hard for me to go into lots of detail. At the time, I figured I'd just shut up and give this young lady enough rope to hang herself, you know? It fucked up my life once, and I'd prefer to just let it go. Before this all happened, I never believed that anyone would lie about rape. That was my stance: No one lies about this shit. It really made me have to adjust my entire view of people, politics, and my own personal politics. I used to be like, "Kill rapists!" And all of a sudden I have this false allegation against me. I remember totally writing people off that I'd heard had even been in just awkward sexual situations with girls, like "That guy's a fucking prick, I'll never talk to him again." It was weird being on the receiving end of that. A friend of mine who's actually friends with that girl recently told me that she had totally withdrawn having said anything. I only just found out about that myself in the last six months. I knew that basically everyone, up to and including the police, was like, "This is bullshit." This person changed her story depending on who she was talking to. It was really just this fucked-up, weird thing. ”
—Isaac Brock, The A.V. Club
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Brock_(musician)

Or the late Patrice O'Neal.

The story starts at 1:31:00



It should be obvious I'm not trying downplay the emotional and physical drama for a woman who is actually raped but lets not forget many men are subject to spiteful and crazy women who see it as a form of revenge and this takes a huge toll on the man who is now seen as guilty by default by society.

[Guapo]

I don't think of them. I'm more focused on National Socialism.

Same here

[Mraz]

Both Feminism and MRM are degenerated.

[kikibu]

i think men are in a very difficult position nowadays especially us white men we carry the burden of this whole world on our shoulders
you can compare us with atlas

[Unome]

i think men are in a very difficult position nowadays especially us white men we carry the burden of this whole world on our shoulders
you can compare us with atlas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Man's_Burden

Take up the White Man's burden,
Send forth the best ye breed
Go bind your sons to exile, to serve your captives' need;
To wait in heavy harness, On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught, sullen peoples, Half-devil and half-child.

Take up the White Man's burden, In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple, An hundred times made plain
To seek another's profit, And work another's gain.

Take up the White Man's burden, The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly Bring all your hopes to nought.

Take up the White Man's burden, No tawdry rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper, The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter, The roads ye shall not tread,
Go mark[14] them with your living, And mark them with your dead.

Take up the White Man's burden And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better, The hate of those ye guard--
The cry of hosts ye humour (Ah, slowly!) toward the light:--
"Why brought he us from bondage, Our loved Egyptian night?"

Take up the White Man's burden, Ye dare not stoop to less--
Nor call too loud on Freedom To cloke your weariness;
By all ye cry or whisper, By all ye leave or do,
The silent, sullen peoples Shall weigh your gods and you.

Take up the White Man's burden, Have done with childish days--
The lightly proferred laurel, The easy, ungrudged praise.
Comes now, to search your manhood, through all the thankless years
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom, The judgment of your peers!

[Fear Fiain]

What do you think of the Men's Rights Movement? I think they raise some important points about rape culture being over emphasized to the point that some of the things that are treated as rape is insulting to actual victims of rape but I wonder why both feminists and MRMs have to see the world as a zero-sum power struggle between the genders instead of a cohesive partnership between the two in all their similarities and differences.

Your opinions plox

I want to believe that the type of relationship you're talking about is possible, but I'm afraid they're right about the majority of women not being capable of functioning as a loyal partner.
I'm very strongly opposed to feminism, and I generally dislike the elements of MRM that share commonalities with feminism. jews need to die and stop pushing casual sex and atheism, that seems to be a big common element in both movements