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Yes, third-generation immigrants (both parents born in the N.) are counted as autochtoon, as far as I know. There is a significant number of colonial Eurasians (Dutch-Indonesian mix) who are counted as Dutch. Actually, the Netherlands seem a bit saner than some other Euro countries, despite having a reputation of one of the most liberal states. For example, Mark Rutte's party promotes assimilation and a stricter immigration policy. I was surprised when I learned it.
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I thought the Dutch were historically the Europeans most open to diversity and have had quite a diverse population in the largest port cities for hundreds of years? Amsterdam comes to mind, as does the New Netherland colonies.
Either way, how is it a white or European problem? That seems like quite a double standard.
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Europeans have become very easily butthurt over non-issues. A fairly recent example is that Hello Kitty song of Avril Lavigne (terrible music though). People said that it's supposed to be offensive to Japanese people because she misrepresents the country lol. The people complaining: all people with a Western culture and predominantly whites who want to prove the world how non-racist they are.
Japanese people themselves didn't mind. They do it themselves with white people and our cultures anyway (parody us) and we don't mind neither.
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Japanese response:
Western culture (especially Anglo-Saxon culture) is just insane when it comes to 'racism'. Doesn't apply to the world outside of it.
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Most inhabitants of the Netherlands had not seen any black people until the 1970s, when Suriname became independent. The Netherlands, though big in the slave trade and transport (the Dutch were the largest European slave traders in the 17th century, shipping over half a million slaves to Dutch colonies in the Western Hemisphere and were the last to abolish slavery, at least on paper) never allowed slavery within its own borders.
The Netherlands is actually a quite racist and xenophobic society. Just look at their recent politics and laws. If you're Dutch and marry a foreign spouse, your government's policy is to make you leave the country. Yet, other Europeans and their spouses can move to the Netherlands with no barriers at all. Dutch people whine and complain how no one speaks their language, but when foreigners do, they're derided and insulted that they don't speak perfectly and have blonde hair and blue eyes. Even then, the government wants you to pay $15,000 for a useless course on how to visit the doctor, ask for govt assistance and find a job. Should you already have a job and not need any assistance, then they will threaten to fine you and take away your residency permit (forget getting the passport - not possible) if you don't quit your job and go take a freaking course.
Also, you know it was the Dutch who invented apartheid. right?
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Hard to debunk each and everything you claim Benedicta, but I think you have exaggerate a lot about Dutch and racism. A foreigner who wants to settle and integrate in Dutch society will find no problems like in most Western countries. Why else would foreigners do so well in the Netherlands? My impression is that when I visit the Netherlands. Foreigners are far better integrated in their society than they are in Flanders. You will far less likely see immigrant riots in the Netherlands than for instance France, the UK, Italy (wink wink). They usually have had a good education, speak grammatically correct Dutch and score well at the job market (unlike most Flemings who butcher their native language, Azalea here knows Dutch grammar better than 90% of the Flemish for instance and I'm not exaggerating; I have talked to her in Dutch before joining any anthroboard).
It's hard to make you think otherwise, because you already made up your mind (coming from an expat even; while expats in any country tend to be far removed from the culture they live in).
The Netherlands aren't xenophobic. They are just not political correct. That's far different than what you claim. I would also like to see sources for your claims.
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