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    Default European populations worldwide

    So I have a lot of free time on my hands and not enough friends, and I spent a few days (not 24:7, I'm not actually friendless you mugs) compiling a list of European populations by country. Not white, Caucasian, whatever, European, so ethnicities from the geographical continent of Europe from before 1492.

    North America:

    It was pretty difficult to find good stats for the Dutch possessions of Eustasius, Aruba, Saba, Curacao, Sint Maarten and Bonaire so they'll have to be included in the general Dutch (European) category, but from what I read they're not exactly white enclaves or very populous, so it doesn't really matter. North America has 4 majority European independent countries - Canada, the US, Costa Rica and Cuba. Puerto Rico says it's 3/4 European but we all know they have identity issues, and genetic results seem to suggest their ethnic European provenance is lower than 75% on average. The results range from less than half a percentage point for the Commonwealth realm of Grenada to probably everyone in the French overseas department of St Pierre et Miquelon.

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    284,089,969

    This is about 54% of the population of North America but bear in mind most of the rest are part-European, including most African-Americans and Afro-Caribbeans, which is serious population displacement for a continent that was 0% European in 1492.

    South America:

    There's a general perception that Argentines like to overstate their European blood. This perception is pretty accurate as Argentines think they're 97% European when the average Argentine is only 79% European by blood (though of course most Argentines are European, it's just definitely not as high as 97%). A similar phenomenon is true for Uruguay. On the other hand, in Brazil and Venezuela and other places, people seem to be pretty honest, even a bit strict (some Brazilian pardos are 90%+ European and the average is in the 70s) about declaring themselves to be European.

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    172,170,336

    This is about 44% of the continent but again, there are very few people without at least some European ancestry.

    Oceania:

    Apart from the obvious ANZAC countries, significant European populations seem to be limited to US and French colonies - this can be explained by the British having lots of colonies, by which I mean, if you're the UK, and you want to export population, you don't need to send them to no-one cares, the south Pacific. This trend holds true in Africa too. Most British expats are in the larger European countries and the former British colonies have smaller European populations, by and large.



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    24,451,924

    This is about 62% of the population of Oceania with significant mixed populations (especially amongst Aborigines and in the French overseas territories) which is even more impressive as we had no idea most of it existed 250 years ago.

    Central, East and South Asia:

    Asia is home to most of the world's population and the colonies Europe did have were treated as cash cows, not holiday destinations (and I'm speaking as a descendant of some of the few Britons that did go to colonise the area). The only significant populations are in the former SSRs (mostly Russian, of course) and Singapore.

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    7,782,750

    About 0.2% of the population. Not somewhere Europeans have had a huge impact, although most Central Asians, the ones who aren't Europeans, are significantly partially European stretching into northwest China; the Hui have a lot of West Asian haplogroups too. Also remember the Afghans, Kalash, and even northern Indio-Aryans, especially the Talysh, are incredibly Caucasoid; so throughout a lot of this region there's no racial division really.

    Middle East and North Africa

    Again it's hard to differentiate between MENA folk (come on, most Armenians and Turks and Lebanese are basically European) so a lot of these divisions are pretty moot. Someone else could find out what the proportion of Caucasians were. Yes, I included European Jews, it's hard not to in the Western censuses anyway and their bloodwork fits in with Maltese, Sicilians, etc.

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    9,376,801

    About 2.5% of the total but bear in mind that the 97.5% includes Berbers and lots of Caucasoids that are basically European and even if they aren't have a lot of European (Morisco, Vandal, Crusader, Roman, Greek, etc) heritage.

    Sub-saharan Africa

    Apart from Southern Africa, the significant populations were in the islands off the coast (especially the Seychelles which was uninhabited anyway when Europeans found it) and Equatorial Guinea because it has oil, which attracts Westerners like the tiny oil-republics in the Gulf. Most of these white populations are stable or growing, especially the former Portuguese colonies (Mozambique, Angola) as Portuguese people migrate for work opportunities.

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    6,232,437

    About 0.8% of the total, not including mixed-race people and all the South and Southeast Asians in the continent.

    Europe

    I couldn't find much data suggesting any non-Europeans in a few small countries. Generally speaking, the East, which has excellent census data, is usually almost without non-Europeans except Russia because its territory crosses into non-European territories. Then there's the West which has had a lot of immigration, and the eastern Balkans which has more Roma people (an underreported demographic). Stats for some countries were hard to find because they don't record it on their census.

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    677,898,139

    About 91.3% of the population of Europe.

    Total world population: 1,182,002,384 so 1.15-1.2 billion by my reckoning. About 16.59% of the global population.

    Here's a colour coded map of the world. Dark green = 99%+, green = 90-99%, greyish = 80-89%, yellow = 70-79%, light brown = 60-69%, orange = 50-59%, blue = 40-49%, dark blue = 30-39%, pink = 20-29%, red = 10-19%, maroon = 1-10%, black = <1%.

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    Nice job, Longbowman.

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    Great job is a shame that a thread with such laborious work does not receive nearly comments as for Spain, the 4% of non-Europeans is quite low nowadays, the real % is around 15-20%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empecinado View Post
    Great job is a shame that a thread with such laborious work does not receive nearly comments as for Spain, the 4% of non-Europeans is quite low nowadays, the real % is around 15-20%.
    Can you show me statistics? Spain's census data was not so helpful so I had to use government estimates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    Can you show me statistics? Spain's census data was not so helpful so I had to use government estimates.
    The census is not reliable because in the category of Spanish includes Gypsies, naturalized immigrants, children of immigrants who obtained citizenship, and also many people listed as immigrants (usually Eastern Europeans) living in Spain that actually have left Spain but still appear in the census because they have not unsubscribed from it.

    A friend and I made an estimate (downwards) last year, and the total number of Gypsies and foreigners (European or not) was around 20%, I can send data and explanation of how we calculate it if you wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empecinado View Post
    The census is not reliable because in the category of Spanish includes Gypsies, naturalized immigrants, children of immigrants who obtained citizenship, and also many people listed as immigrants (usually Eastern Europeans) living in Spain that actually have left Spain but still appear in the census because they have not unsubscribed from it.

    A friend and I made an estimate (downwards) last year, and the total number of Gypsies and foreigners (European or not) was around 20%, I can send data and explanation of how we calculate it if you wish.
    Feel free to

    Most of the foreigners will be European though.
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    Nice thread! This just proves one thing; one universal truth: We are all descended from the same person in Africa!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalGangstista View Post
    Nice thread! This just proves one thing; one universal truth: We are all descended from the same person in Africa!
    Thanks! Although your statement was such a non sequitur I can't tell if you believe it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    Thanks! Although your statement was such a non sequitur I can't tell if you believe it or not.
    Well, I am still learning this. So I am sorry if it sounded stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalGangstista View Post
    Well, I am still learning this. So I am sorry if it sounded stupid.
    Not stupid, just slightly confusing. We are all ultimately descended from one person, yes.
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