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    If we are talking about ethnic Russians in total, I would say that percentage you listed is lower than usual. I have witnessed Russians especially past Moscow and they look noticeably more Mongoloid than the average European. Comparing them to Germans or Poles isn't even a question at that longitude, if you're experienced with phenotypes you can instantly tell who is who. East Slavs in general have this specific head shape, you know it when you see it.

    A Brit and a Russian are almost instantly recognizable from each other. It's not the complexion, it's the features.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate_Hound View Post
    If we are talking about ethnic Russians in total, I would say that percentage you listed is lower than usual. I have witnessed Russians especially past Moscow and they look noticeably more Mongoloid than the average European. Comparing them to Germans or Poles isn't even a question at that longitude, if you're experienced with phenotypes you can instantly tell who is who. East Slavs in general have this specific head shape, you know it when you see it.

    A Brit and a Russian are almost instantly recognizable from each other. It's not the complexion, it's the features.
    I think East Slavs just inherently look different from British Islanders regardless of whether they have Mongoloid admixture or not. But in the case of Russians north and east of the capital, they do have it so their appearance is a greater departure from the average Brit than even a Belarusian.

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    A comparison of Russians with other east Slavs, Finnish, and Saami. We can see that Belarusians score no Mong(Krasnoyarsk_BA) and Ukrainians very little if at all, while many Russian groups do. Some, mostly Arkhangelskis/Pomors, even more than the Finnish. The Russian average for the country would fall somewhere in between Belarusians and Finns, as I have said countless times. Phenotype reflects it too.

    Target: Finnish_Southwest
    Distance: 2.9914% / 0.02991414
    39.6 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA
    31.6 Baltic_EST_IA
    24.6 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    4.2 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Finnish_Southeast
    Distance: 2.2838% / 0.02283790
    60.0 Baltic_EST_IA
    35.8 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA
    4.2 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Finnish_North
    Distance: 3.1153% / 0.03115273
    54.6 Baltic_EST_IA
    30.4 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA
    8.4 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    6.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Finnish_East
    Distance: 1.9532% / 0.01953181
    71.4 Baltic_EST_IA
    22.4 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA
    6.2 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Finnish_Central
    Distance: 2.2522% / 0.02252169
    52.2 Baltic_EST_IA
    35.8 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA
    6.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    5.2 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
    Distance: 2.0438% / 0.02043750
    92.0 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    8.0 Baltic_EST_IA

    Target: Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
    Distance: 2.9644% / 0.02964366
    87.4 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    11.6 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA
    1.0 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Ukrainian_Sumy
    Distance: 2.0399% / 0.02039932
    94.2 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    5.8 Baltic_EST_IA

    Target: Ukrainian_Rivne
    Distance: 1.7729% / 0.01772902
    87.6 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    12.4 Baltic_EST_IA

    Target: Ukrainian_Lviv
    Distance: 2.4321% / 0.02432108
    96.0 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    4.0 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA

    Target: Ukrainian_Dnipro
    Distance: 1.9336% / 0.01933565
    88.0 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    10.4 Baltic_EST_IA
    1.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Ukrainian_Chernihiv
    Distance: 1.9849% / 0.01984891
    86.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    13.0 Baltic_EST_IA
    0.2 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Belarusian
    Distance: 1.8813% / 0.01881300
    75.4 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    24.6 Baltic_EST_IA

    Target: Saami
    Distance: 3.2775% / 0.03277476
    64.2 Baltic_EST_IA
    25.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    10.2 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA

    Target: Russian_Yaroslavl
    Distance: 2.1786% / 0.02178645
    59.6 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    37.6 Baltic_EST_IA
    2.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Russian_Voronez
    Distance: 1.8108% / 0.01810802
    84.2 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    15.0 Baltic_EST_IA
    0.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Russian_Tver
    Distance: 1.7668% / 0.01766805
    65.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    31.6 Baltic_EST_IA
    2.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Russian_Smolensk
    Distance: 2.0579% / 0.02057914
    82.6 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    17.4 Baltic_EST_IA

    Target: Russian_Ryazan
    Distance: 2.0765% / 0.02076515
    81.0 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    16.2 Baltic_EST_IA
    2.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Russian_Pskov
    Distance: 1.8184% / 0.01818440
    52.2 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    47.8 Baltic_EST_IA

    Target: Russian_Pinezhsky
    Distance: 2.0873% / 0.02087283
    69.8 Baltic_EST_IA
    11.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    9.2 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    9.2 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA

    Target: Russian_Pinega
    Distance: 2.2325% / 0.02232494
    65.0 Baltic_EST_IA
    25.6 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    9.0 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    0.4 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA

    Target: Russian_Orel
    Distance: 1.9786% / 0.01978628
    86.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    11.6 Baltic_EST_IA
    1.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Russian_Leshukonsky
    Distance: 2.5789% / 0.02578865
    67.4 Baltic_EST_IA
    13.8 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA
    12.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    6.0 HUN_Avar_Szolad

    Target: Russian_Kursk
    Distance: 1.7536% / 0.01753574
    77.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    20.8 Baltic_EST_IA
    1.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Russian_Krasnoborsky
    Distance: 1.7528% / 0.01752757
    46.2 Baltic_EST_IA
    39.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    7.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    6.6 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA

    Target: Russian_Kostroma
    Distance: 1.9299% / 0.01929922
    50.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    38.0 Baltic_EST_IA
    5.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    5.4 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA

    Target: Russian_Kaluga
    Distance: 2.1595% / 0.02159547
    69.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    29.4 Baltic_EST_IA
    0.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Russian_Belgorod
    Distance: 2.1521% / 0.02152139
    92.2 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    6.8 Baltic_EST_IA
    1.0 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate_Hound View Post
    If we are talking about ethnic Russians in total, I would say that percentage you listed is lower than usual. I have witnessed Russians especially past Moscow and they look noticeably more Mongoloid than the average European. Comparing them to Germans or Poles isn't even a question at that longitude, if you're experienced with phenotypes you can instantly tell who is who. East Slavs in general have this specific head shape, you know it when you see it.

    A Brit and a Russian are almost instantly recognizable from each other. It's not the complexion, it's the features.
    who is Russian and who is British?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Borealis View Post
    A comparison of Russians with other east Slavs, Finnish, and Saami. We can see that Belarusians score no Mong(Krasnoyarsk_BA) and Ukrainians very little if at all, while many Russian groups do. Some, mostly Arkhangelskis/Pomors, even more than the Finnish. The Russian average for the country would fall somewhere in between Belarusians and Finns, as I have said countless times. Phenotype reflects it too.

    Target: Finnish_Southwest
    Distance: 2.9914% / 0.02991414
    39.6 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA
    31.6 Baltic_EST_IA
    24.6 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    4.2 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Finnish_Southeast
    Distance: 2.2838% / 0.02283790
    60.0 Baltic_EST_IA
    35.8 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA
    4.2 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Finnish_North
    Distance: 3.1153% / 0.03115273
    54.6 Baltic_EST_IA
    30.4 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA
    8.4 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    6.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Finnish_East
    Distance: 1.9532% / 0.01953181
    71.4 Baltic_EST_IA
    22.4 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA
    6.2 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Finnish_Central
    Distance: 2.2522% / 0.02252169
    52.2 Baltic_EST_IA
    35.8 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA
    6.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    5.2 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
    Distance: 2.0438% / 0.02043750
    92.0 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    8.0 Baltic_EST_IA

    Target: Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
    Distance: 2.9644% / 0.02964366
    87.4 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    11.6 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA
    1.0 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Ukrainian_Sumy
    Distance: 2.0399% / 0.02039932
    94.2 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    5.8 Baltic_EST_IA

    Target: Ukrainian_Rivne
    Distance: 1.7729% / 0.01772902
    87.6 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    12.4 Baltic_EST_IA

    Target: Ukrainian_Lviv
    Distance: 2.4321% / 0.02432108
    96.0 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    4.0 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA

    Target: Ukrainian_Dnipro
    Distance: 1.9336% / 0.01933565
    88.0 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    10.4 Baltic_EST_IA
    1.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Ukrainian_Chernihiv
    Distance: 1.9849% / 0.01984891
    86.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    13.0 Baltic_EST_IA
    0.2 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Belarusian
    Distance: 1.8813% / 0.01881300
    75.4 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    24.6 Baltic_EST_IA

    Target: Saami
    Distance: 3.2775% / 0.03277476
    64.2 Baltic_EST_IA
    25.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    10.2 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA

    Target: Russian_Yaroslavl
    Distance: 2.1786% / 0.02178645
    59.6 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    37.6 Baltic_EST_IA
    2.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Russian_Voronez
    Distance: 1.8108% / 0.01810802
    84.2 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    15.0 Baltic_EST_IA
    0.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Russian_Tver
    Distance: 1.7668% / 0.01766805
    65.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    31.6 Baltic_EST_IA
    2.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Russian_Smolensk
    Distance: 2.0579% / 0.02057914
    82.6 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    17.4 Baltic_EST_IA

    Target: Russian_Ryazan
    Distance: 2.0765% / 0.02076515
    81.0 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    16.2 Baltic_EST_IA
    2.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Russian_Pskov
    Distance: 1.8184% / 0.01818440
    52.2 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    47.8 Baltic_EST_IA

    Target: Russian_Pinezhsky
    Distance: 2.0873% / 0.02087283
    69.8 Baltic_EST_IA
    11.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    9.2 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    9.2 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA

    Target: Russian_Pinega
    Distance: 2.2325% / 0.02232494
    65.0 Baltic_EST_IA
    25.6 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    9.0 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    0.4 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA

    Target: Russian_Orel
    Distance: 1.9786% / 0.01978628
    86.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    11.6 Baltic_EST_IA
    1.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Russian_Leshukonsky
    Distance: 2.5789% / 0.02578865
    67.4 Baltic_EST_IA
    13.8 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA
    12.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    6.0 HUN_Avar_Szolad

    Target: Russian_Kursk
    Distance: 1.7536% / 0.01753574
    77.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    20.8 Baltic_EST_IA
    1.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Russian_Krasnoborsky
    Distance: 1.7528% / 0.01752757
    46.2 Baltic_EST_IA
    39.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    7.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    6.6 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA

    Target: Russian_Kostroma
    Distance: 1.9299% / 0.01929922
    50.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    38.0 Baltic_EST_IA
    5.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    5.4 VK2020_SWE_Malmo_VA

    Target: Russian_Kaluga
    Distance: 2.1595% / 0.02159547
    69.8 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    29.4 Baltic_EST_IA
    0.8 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA

    Target: Russian_Belgorod
    Distance: 2.1521% / 0.02152139
    92.2 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    6.8 Baltic_EST_IA
    1.0 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
    There are a lot of people with Turkic facial features in Ukraine.I think Ukrainians have much more Mongoloid genes than Russians.My ancestors from the south of Russia had Pontic and Baltic phenotypes, but as soon as they moved to Ukraine and mixed with Ukrainians, they immediately acquired a small Mongoloid influence.And this is not surprising.Back in the days of Kievan Rus, the princes settled various nomadic hordes in Porosye (Pechenegs, Torks, Berendeyev, Kouev, Kapichi, Turpeyev and Bastiev).They mixed and assimilated with the local population.Arab chronicles claim that there were so many nomads, that Kievan Rus was called "The whole land of Russian and black hoods."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cossack View Post
    There are a lot of people with Turkic facial features in Ukraine.I think Ukrainians have much more Mongoloid genes than Russians.My ancestors from the south of Russia had Pontic and Baltic phenotypes, but as soon as they moved to Ukraine and mixed with Ukrainians, they immediately acquired a small Mongoloid influence.And this is not surprising.Back in the days of Kievan Rus, the princes settled various nomadic hordes in Porosye (Pechenegs, Torks, Berendeyev, Kouev, Kapichi, Turpeyev and Bastiev).They mixed and assimilated with the local population.Arab chronicles claim that there were so many nomads, that Kievan Rus was called "The whole land of Russian and black hoods."
    People can look mongoloid without necessarily being mongoloid at all and vice versa. Yea many Ukrainians can have pseudo mong features as can many Balts. But the genuine East Asian ancestry in notable quantities is found in northern(Arctic) and eastern(Ural) Rus. And why not? Northern Ukraine and Belarus were within Kievan Rus. Only about half of European Russia was and even then, places like Yaroslavl, Kostroma, etc. still have Finnic ancestry despite that.

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