Hungarians and Turan worship

[Borna]

When this thing have started ? I recently realized the more and more Hungarians are avid fans of Turanism, specially on internet.
Basically they speak everything to deny their European DNA origin. Ranging from SabirHunOnogur Sumerians across Blogen Eurasians up to pure Huns, Mongoloids and similar ?

And its getting very popular with the rise of Jobbik.

My personal view of Hungarians is different, i consider them Europeans speaking other kind of language, our allies, comrades and friends. And most of Hungarians i know in real life (And keep in mind im from Croatian part of Baranya) agree with me.

[Wild North]

Maybe because the original Magyars came from the East.

[Wild North]

Another thing, the Hungarian language is considerably different, from the surrounding Germanic and Slavic languages. Both of these are Indo-European languages, which is not the case with Hungarian.

[blogen]

When this thing have started ? I recently realized the more and more Hungarians are avid fans of Turanism, specially on internet.
Basically they speak everything to deny their European DNA origin. Ranging from SabirHunOnogur Sumerians across Blogen Eurasians up to pure Huns, Mongoloids and similar ?

And its getting very popular with the rise of Jobbik.

My personal view of Hungarians is different, i consider them Europeans speaking other kind of language, our allies, comrades and friends. And most of Hungarians i know in real life (And keep in mind im from Croatian part of Baranya) agree with me.

This was everytime the Hungarian narrative about himself. Our authors emphasize our Scythian (means "steppic" at this time) ancestry in the medieval chronicles and they associated the Magyar ethnicity to the partially or full steppic ancestry. And our distinctness was the symbol of our freedom in the early-modern age and of course, the 19th century was the beginning of our Eurasian ancestry's scientific exploration, the age of the great Hungarian orientlists who were searching for the Hungarian homeland everywhere in Asia. This was our self image everytime in different level. Pure Europeanism between the Hungarians never existed, except in the late 20th century, when the Hungarian Jews constructed a pro-European ideology about the liberal Europe. Of course the Hungarians in the last thousands of years were looking for the common road between Eurasia and Europe in this environment generally, but and this is very important:

We never denied our ancestry. We are proud Eurasians (except the Jews, who are the only absolute pro-European anti-Eurasians in Hungary). Since the average Hungarian are proud onto their Eurasian ancestors. This word: Europe is not a racially white thing in Hungary. This is only a geographical place and the Europeans are the residents here.

In the other hand, SabirHunOnogur is a very rare phenomenon between us.

[Wild North]

This was everytime the Hungarian narrative about himself. Our authors emphasize our Scythian (means "steppic" at this time) ancestry in the medieval chronicles and they associated the Magyar ethnicity to the partially or full steppic ancestry. And our distinctness was the symbol of our freedom in the early-modern age and of course, the 19th century was the beginning of our Eurasian ancestry's scientific exploration, the age of the great Hungarian orientlists who were searching for the Hungarian homeland everywhere in Asia. This was our self image everytime in different level. Pure Europeanism between the Hungarians never existed, except in the late 20th century, when the Hungarian Jews constructed a pro-European ideology about the liberal Europe. Of course the Hungarians in the last thousands of years were looking for the common road between Eurasia and Europe in this environment generally, but and this is very important:

We never denied our ancestry. We are proud Eurasians (except the Jews, who are the only absolute pro-European anti-Eurasians in Hungary). Since the average Hungarian are proud onto their Eurasian ancestors. This word: Europe is not a racially white thing in Hungary. This is only a geographical place and the Europeans are the residents here.

In the other hand, SabirHunOnogur is a very rare phenomenon between us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Turanism

[blogen]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Turanism

The Turanism is an another thing.

[Wild North]

The Turanism is an another thing.

I don´t quite understand. Not being Pro-European and looking towards the East. Is it not exactly this the Turanists do?
And about the Jews, this Armin Vambery mentioned in the article, and accordingly was a Jew, and a founder of the early Hungarian Turanist movement.

[Wild North]

And wasn´t it a Turanist element (or faction) within the Arrow-Cross movement (or Nyilas) ?

[blogen]

I don´t quite understand. Not being Pro-European and looking towards the East. Is it not exactly this the Turanists do?

It's a logical failure.

But this is the another problem with this: the turanis narrator stands in the east and looking towards from there.

And about the Jews, this Armin Vambery mentioned in the article, and accordingly was a Jew, and a founder of the early Hungarian Turanist movement.

Yes, the early assimilants were very pro-Hungarian and yes, he supported the Turan Socitey. But the founders of the Hungarian turanist movement were politikers and aristocrats in the early 20th century. The founder was the great agrarian Paikert Alajos, the chairman of the Hungarian Economic Society, the organizer of the Hungarian Foreign Affairs Society and the president of the Royal Hungarian Agricultural Museum:


He founded the Hungarian Turan Society in 1910. The main supporter was archduke Habsburg József Ferenc


The honorary chairman was graf Széchenyi Béla, son of Széchenyi István:


The chairman was graf Teleki Pál:


The vice chairmans:
graf Bánffy Miklós, graf Esterházy Móricz, Dr. Cholnoky Jenő, Dr. Erődi Béla, Dr. Lóczy Lajos.

And the main members were also important politikers, orientalists and other important members of the Hungarian society. Since the main aim, of the Hungarian turanism was the formation of the Hungarian imperialism. Basically the the planned Hungarian-Turkish lebensraum was the Turanians lands after the extermination of the Russian empire in the war. And the reason was the self defence against the pan-Germanic and pan-Slavist efforts. Hungary was the most developed Turanian nation and country and our ambition was the Turanian folks' leadership. The turanism was the Hungarian answer onto the Germanic and Russian imperialism. Not pro or anti-European, since the Russian imperialism was never pro-European for example. The Hungarian turanism was a version of the eurasianism, as the Russian imperialism for example.

But, and again: our proudness onto our ancestors is also not anti- or pro-thing. Our ancestors were not Europeans and we live on the eastern edge of Europe, but in Europe, so both narrative would be schysophrenic for the Hungarians.

And wasn´t it a Turanist element (or faction) within the Arrow-Cross movement (or Nyilas) ?

As in everywhere in Hungary. The Turanism was not a right wing or left wing thing. But the turanism changed slowly after the wwI, because of the imperialism became meaningless, so the cultural Turanism was the new form of the Turanism and the idea was united with our self-image slowly.



The Hungarian anti-fascist hero Bajcsy-Zsilinszky Endre declared this in the prison of the Gestapo at the time of the prisoners' selecting after the German occupation of Hungary:

"I am not Semite or Aryan, I am a Turanian!"

[Wild North]

Were there even Turanists among Hungarian communists?