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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Hĺkan View Post
    What kind of sci-fi are you watching?
    finno-ugrian languages are not related to turkic or mongolian languages.Actually they have more similarities with indoeuropean languages because proto-finno-ugrians and proto-indoeuropeans lived quite close to each other and had much contact.The old proto- indoeuropean loanwords in finno-ugrian languages show that proto-indoeuropeans must live near finno-ugrians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild North View Post
    Were the puppet regimes of the surrounding countries any different?
    Yes, the nationalism and the communism was the two basic ideology, especially in Romania and Czechoslovakia.

    A Hungarian told me, that before the war the communist party was a small very insignificant party in Hungary. It was strangely, sort of the Arrow cross party that filled that gap, as a working-class party. And one reason for the animosity towards Jews, besides racial, was social. Jews were often businessmen, and owners industrial enterprises. And ironically the leadership of the communist party was mostly Jewish.
    Yes, the communist party was illegal and totally insignificant, but the socialdemocrats were a significant opposition force in the interwar and early wartime (until 1944) Hungary. But the majority of the Jews were poor, very poor, especially in Eastern Hungary where they were the Gypsies basically. These poor Jews and the middle class Jews with identity crisis* were the main supporters of the leftist radicalism.

    *the missing pictures from there:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vir9 View Post
    finno-ugrian languages are not related to turkic or mongolian languages.Actually they have more similarities with indoeuropean languages because proto-finno-ugrians and proto-indoeuropeans lived quite close to each other and had much contact.The old proto- indoeuropean loanwords in finno-ugrian languages show that proto-indoeuropeans must live near finno-ugrians.
    What is not true, since only the early Indo-Iranians lived beside the Finno-Ugrians based on the loanwords. And this is very important, since this means, that the "kurgan" cultures were never PIE homeland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vir9 View Post
    finno-ugrian languages are not related to turkic or mongolian languages.Actually they have more similarities with indoeuropean languages because proto-finno-ugrians and proto-indoeuropeans lived quite close to each other and had much contact.The old proto- indoeuropean loanwords in finno-ugrian languages show that proto-indoeuropeans must live near finno-ugrians.
    Any piece of evidence?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Hĺkan View Post
    Any piece of evidence?
    this was written by a finn
    http://www.helsinki.fi/~jolaakso/fufaq.html
    http://homepage.univie.ac.at/Johanna.Laakso/fu_tu.html

    and he shows that finno-ugrian languages have no connection to altaic languages

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    Quote Originally Posted by blogen View Post
    What is not true, since only the early Indo-Iranians lived beside the Finno-Ugrians based on the loanwords. And this is very important, since this means, that the "kurgan" cultures were never PIE homeland.
    the kurgan hypothesis is accepted by almost all historians today and finno-ugrian languages show indeed proto-indoeuropean loanwords

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vir9 View Post
    the kurgan hypothesis is accepted by almost all historians today
    In the North American universities maybe, but not in Europe.

    and finno-ugrian languages show indeed proto-indoeuropean loanwords http://www.elisanet.fi/alkupera/UralicEvidence.pdf
    I do not see any PIE loanword in this article, only the Aryans and the late Northwest Indoeuropeans, what was the Balto-Germanic connection in the Baltic region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Hĺkan View Post
    What kind of sci-fi are you watching?
    LOL you are biggest mythoman on this site.
    Let us leave modern men to their ‘truths’ and let us only be concerned about one thing: to keep standing amid a world of ruins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringelnatter View Post
    LOL you are biggest mythoman on this site.
    Just because it contradicts your worldview?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vir9 View Post
    this was written by a finn
    http://www.helsinki.fi/~jolaakso/fufaq.html
    http://homepage.univie.ac.at/Johanna.Laakso/fu_tu.html

    and he shows that finno-ugrian languages have no connection to altaic languages
    I believe that Altaics, Uralics and IE's are genetically descendants of one proto-form. But I don't believe in language families like IE, Uralic or Altaic as such. Let us unite the Turkic and Mongolian families into one taxon. The dispersion of the mixture of the Turkic and Mongolian languages is much greater than the dispersion of each of the families in question. Let us consider the Finno-Ugric language taxon, beginning from the Ugric subgroup, which is said to include Mansi, Hanty and Hungarian. As a matter of fact, it is necessary to point out that we compare Hungarian not only to Finno-Ugric, but also to Turkic languages, because during its long history of development Hungarian had a lot of contact with Turkic languages. Daniel Abondolo, Bela Kalman and other linguists underline that Hungarian is not typical among the Uralic family (Abondodolo, 1990: 577). At the first sight it is quite striking that Hungarian makes the compactness of the Turkic taxon higher. Now let us consider the Uralic language taxon, which has been recently strongly criticised. Investigation revealed that Uralic language taxon is more dispersed than the Samoyedic or Finno-Ugric family. It shows that Uralic taxon is not natural, but rather artificial, i.e. created by linguists. Some linguists think that the Indo-European genealogical tree should be reconsidered in order to make it more correct, though they still think it is possible to construct such a tree. The majority of the linguists in the field of Finno-Ugristics and Uralistics seem to be quite happy with their old classical tree. However, the majority of the Turkologists do not think it is possible to construct a true Turkic tree, because many features in Turkic languages interface and because the Turkic languages are too close to each other. Some linguists like Ago Kuennap and Angela Marcantonio believe that it is high time to reconsider some of the language families. They consider it quite wrong to call the Uralic set of languages "a family", since their genetic relationship has not been properly proved (Marcantonio, 2002). However, if we look upon the Altaic taxon from the other angle, that is, from the point of view of the degree of the dispersion of the Indo-European family, whose dispersion is greater (V= 223.79%), than that of the Altaic (V= 207.76%) taxon. This speaks for the Altaic theory. Really, if the majority of linguists support the idea of the Indo-European family, then one should think twice before rejecting the Altaic taxon as a family, because the compactness of Altaic is greater.

    Yuri Tambovtsev. Novosibirsk Pedagogical University. Novosibirsk, Russia. “Language Taxons and the Naturalness of their Classification”. California Linguistic Notes. Volume XXX No. 2 Fall, 2005.


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