Hungarians and Turan worship

[blogen]

Peoples who spoke Iranian languages...

And a Hungarian archaeological expedition works in Siberia after all on site of the Uelgi culture, what culture was the successor of the Sargat culture and the archaeological material of this Uelgi culture is basically identical with the 10th century Hungarian material and different from anything other.

This is the situation now.

What is Turanism based on? Sometimes you say it's cultural, sometimes you say racial. No such thing as Turanics. Hungarians have so little Mongoloid genes, that it's irrelevant indeed.

I never say that. This is your fantasy only. The turanism is clearly a cultural based ethos. Once was a political ideology about the future of the Hungarian state, but this is the past only. The turanism is a brotherhood between the steppic folks now. This is the basic spirit of the largest traditionalist event in the world: the Kurultáj in Hungary. This is their agenda and basically this is the contemporary turanism:

"Kurultaj is a celebration of preservation of ancient traditions, it serves as a revival of ancient Hungarian and other nomadic cultures, paying tribute to great ancestors."

[TheForeigner]

But your culture is Central European and not steppic. You have little in common with Proto-Hungarians. And don't pretend you don't always claim Hungarians are not racially European.

[Arhat]

Its based on Turan
The problem is the Ural mountains is not a real barrier its like just some small mountains there

turan was actually a historical region in central asia once inhabited by iranic tribes and later by turkic.But originally it was a iranic term already mentioned in avesta so i really dont get what this has to do with early magyars and modern hungarians.Hungarians have nothing in common with altaic people and i really can not believe that some genetically absolute european people want to be east asians so much

[TheForeigner]

Even the Hungarian language, which is the only inheritance from ancient Magyars, has so much vocabulary from Slavic languages and much from even German, Latin, Romanian and some little Turkic, that it's not the same as the ancient Hungarian language even. Also the conquerors were a mix of Magyars and Khazars, with the latter as rulling class. So you did have originally Turkic rulers, that succeded their Avars cousins. Just like the possibly Cuman descendant founders of Wallachia. Not Moldavia though. That was founded by minor Romanian nobility from Maremures(where most natives were Romanian), in the then Hungarian Kingdom.

[TheForeigner]

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turan was actually a historical region in central asia once inhabited by iranic tribes and later by turkic.But originally it was a iranic term already mentioned in avesta so i really dont get what this has to do with early magyars and modern hungarians.Hungarians have nothing in common with altaic people and i really can not believe that some genetically absolute european people want to be east asians so much

Lol not sure where you found that quote from me, but I agree with you. Don't know why many of them want to be Asiatic. Apparently it's an old and ''serious'' intelectual movement. Are you actual Central Asian yourself?

[Arhat]

Lol not sure where you found that quote from me, but I agree with you. Don't know why many of them want to be Asiatic. Apparently it's an old and ''serious'' intelectual movement. Are you actual Central Asian yourself?

something went wrong sorry

[TheForeigner]

I thought you are Hungarian user Robar... But your contact info is confusing.

[blogen]

But your culture is Central European and not steppic. You have little in common with Proto-Hungarians.

And the Germans are urban peoples and not bloodthirsty farmers and the Greeks are Christians in crisis and not homosexuals in hybris, etc. But every healthy etnos are proud of his ancestors.

And don't pretend you don't always claim Hungarians are not racially European.

I do not claim this, not I claim, since this is the scientific fact about the Hungarians, based on the series of their surveys. More than half of the Hungarians are not racially Europid, but a mixed people. I accept this fact, since this is the only clever behaviour with the scientific facts.

Even the Hungarian language, which is the only inheritance from ancient Magyars, has so much vocabulary from Slavic languages and much from even German, Latin, Romanian and some little Turkic, that it's not the same as the ancient Hungarian language even.

Yes, the languages are changing. What a surprise!

Also the conquerors were a mix of Magyars and Khazars, with the latter as rulling class.

What is not true. The conquerors were typcial Eastern European steppic peoples (the Sarmatians were the closest relatives anthropologically).

So you did have originally Turkic rulers, that succeded their Avars cousins. Just like the possibly Cuman descendant founders of Wallachia. Not Moldavia though. That was founded by minor Romanian nobility from Maremures(where most natives were Romanian), in the then Hungarian Kingdom.

We do not know about Turkic rulers, since we do not know the ancestry of the 9th century Hungarian elite.

[TheForeigner]

I do not claim this, not I claim, since this is the scientific fact about the Hungarians, based on the series of their surveys. More than half of the Hungarians are not racially Europid, but a mixed people. I accept this fact, since this is the only clever behaviour with the scientific facts.



Yes, the languages are changing. What a surprise!



What is not true. The conquerors were typcial Eastern European steppic peoples (the Sarmatians were the closest relatives anthropologically).



We do not know about Turkic rulers, since we do not know the ancestry of the 9th century Hungarian elite.[/QUOTE]

So you call ancient Greeks homosexuals, because a small minority were? And then you tell me your ancient Hungarians were like Sarmatians phenotypically, but still not clear Europid people? And considering these mixed with a much larger sedentary European population, you get half of modern Hungarians who are mixed race?!

[blogen]

So you call ancient Greeks homosexuals, because a small minority were? And then you tell me your ancient Hungarians were like Sarmatians phenotypically, but still not clear Europid people?

Of course not, since the Sarmatian's great part were Europo-Mongoloid.

4-3th century BC, Sarmatians - Chemaya, Kardailovo, Orenburg oblast:
the reamins: 75,9, 83,9, 90,3, 83,4, 85,4, 85,5, 82,8, 84,1
average: 83,9
1 dolichocephal, 6 brachycephals, 1 extreme brachycephal
Racial type: almost Europid Europo-Mongoloids. (The brachycephals were Protoeuropid, but this is not from this study.)
source: А. Н. Багашев: МАТЕРИАЛЫ К КРАНИОЛОГИИ САРМАТОВ
other datas about the Scythians

And these were the Magyar conquerors and their closest analogies:

And considering these mixed with a much larger sedentary European population, you get half of modern Hungarians who are mixed race?!

Yes, more than half. What is not surprise, since they had a thousands of years onto this.