The Origin of Turks

[Böri]

Look at the genetic data, mate.

Turks shared genetic data in the other thread:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...ent-Anatolians
Turks have everything for backing their claim they arent natives.

[Yabgu]

Turkish people are about 95% native to Anatolia. Of course, the Turkish language isn't.

There is not an ethnicity called "Anatolian".. That is just the liberal political rhetoric to cause an erosion of the national identity.. Turks made Anatolia Turkey.. The land took it's name directly from the ethnicity, not the other way around.. To limit Turk history with only 1000 years is part of the deliberate and systematic policy of Anglo-American imperialism..

[StonyArabia]

This is impossible. 1/3 and more Turkish people come to Anatolia in last 150 years as they are Balkan Turks, Tatars, North Caucasia Turkics, Syria-Iraq Turkmens. And everybody agree despite Turks most far away from Asia they are most Asians looking people in ME region.

It's true that Syrian and Iraqi Turkmens tend to look more Asiatic than the other Syrian and Iraqis. Despite not having been tested their gene pool would be largely derived from the Syrian and Iraqi natives. Although several Turkoman dynasties did in fact come to Iraq like Black sheep, White sheep, and the various minor Oghuz dynasties. Iraqi Turkmens on average look like Northern Iraqis and Kurds, well Syrian Turkmens look like Syrians.

[Böri]

It's true that Syrian and Iraqi Turkmens tend to look more Asiatic than the other Syrian and Iraqis. Despite not having been tested their gene pool would be largely derived from the Syrian and Iraqi natives. Although several Turkoman dynasties did in fact come to Iraq like Black sheep, White sheep, and the various minor Oghuz dynasties. Iraqi Turkmens on average look like Northern Iraqis and Kurds, well Syrian Turkmens look like Syrians.

They are maybe born with Arabian mothers for some generations. This is normal. But they have blood lineage, identity and language. This make them Turks.

[Anglojew]

There is not an ethnicity called "Anatolian".. That is just the liberal political rhetoric to cause an erosion of the national identity.. Turks made Anatolia Turkey.. The land took it's name directly from the ethnicity, not the other way around.. To limit Turk history with only 1000 years is part of the deliberate and systematic policy of Anglo-American imperialism..

Turks gave their name to the land. Turks from outside Turkey are no less Turks, if anything they're often more ethnically Turk than Turkish Turks.

[Kamal900]

There is not an ethnicity called "Anatolian".. That is just the liberal political rhetoric to cause an erosion of the national identity.. Turks made Anatolia Turkey.. The land took it's name directly from the ethnicity, not the other way around.. To limit Turk history with only 1000 years is part of the deliberate and systematic policy of Anglo-American imperialism..

During the late Roman Period, prior to the Turkic conquest, the population of Anatolia had reached an estimated level of over 12 million people. Furthermore, during the time of Turkic migrations, Anatolia had the lowest migrant/resident ratio. The extent to which gene flow from Central Asia has contributed to the current gene pool of the Turkish people, and the role of the 11th century invasion by Turkic peoples, has been the subject of various studies. Several studies have concluded that the historical and indigenous Anatolian groups are the primary source of the present-day Turkish population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#Genetics

"Due to its long-term geographic position as gateway between Europe and Asia, the genetic constitution of Anatolia is highly complex. In spite of its overwhelming diversity, most citizens of the Republic of Turkey are firstlanguage Turkish-speakers and consider themselves ethnic Turks. This was not the case during the early Middle Ages and the time of the Byzantine Empire. Although we are able to identify four successive Turkic empires, Islamicization, and post-World War I nationalization as the essential steps toward ethnic homogenization, from historical texts alone we cannot determine to what extent mass migration from Central Asia and Siberia is responsible for Turkish dominance in Anatolia today. To assess the extent of gene flow from lands east of the Caspian, we examined the patterns of genetic variation in Turkic-speaking populations from Anatolia to Siberia. This analysis allows us to build the case for incommensurable, long-term, and continuing genetic signatures in both Anatolia and Siberia, and for significant mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosome divergence between the regions, with minimal admixture. We supplement the case against mass migration with correlative archeological, historical, and linguistic data, and suggest that it was irregular punctuated migration events that engendered large-scale shifts in language and culture among Anatolia's diverse autochthonous inhabitants."
http://mesharpe.metapress.com/conten...061-1959500101

" Turks, Armenians and Kurds are genetically linked to each other, Armenian scientists say, calling for a joint research with their Turkish colleagues on the genetic similarities. European politicians, who have supported the recent normalization efforts, will also back the project, they say

While Ankara and Yerevan struggle to ease long-standing tension that has divided the two neighbors for years, a discovery about genes appears to remind everyone how close the two nations actually are.

Armenian scientists said they observed high genetic matching between the two nations during their research on leukemia. They say Kurds are also genetically linked to the Armenians and Turks.

“Turks and Armenians were the two societies throughout the world that were genetically close to each other. Kurds are also in same genetic pool,” Savak Avagian, director of Armenia’s bone marrow bank, said in an interview with daily Hürriyet.

Calling on his Turkish colleagues to examine the genetic similarities of the two nations in addition to asking for funds from the European Union, Avagian said he believes European politicians, who have supported the recent normalization efforts between Turkey and Armenia, would also back the project.

Genetic research in 1998 also supported the Armenian scientists’ findings. A project titled “The Genetic Relations between Mediterranean Communities,” prepared by three Spanish scholars from the molecular biology division of Complutense University in Madrid, defines the Turks and Armenians as two branches with the same genetic origin."
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/def...sts-2009-12-24

More genetic studies on the Turkish people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic...Turkish_people

Oh, and the Azeri people are also a mixture between Caucasian, Iranian and Turkic peoples, and they seem to be much closer to their caucasian and kurdish neighbours than to their Turkmen counterparts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbai...eople#Genetics

[Anglojew]

And?

* The Iranians, the Germans and the Chinese can not be Scythian..
(V. Tatiscev, 18th Century Russian Scholar)

* The Scythians are the ancestors of the Turks..
(K. Noyman, German Historian, 1855)

* Old Turks are named as "Saka", and for the East Roman Emperor II Justianus, the agreement letter send by Gokturks, for Sasanian peace, was written in the Scythian language known as the "barbarian" Turks..
(M. Vizantiyets)

* Anna Comnena, called Turkic Pechenegs as Scythians.. Pecheneg mercenaries were known as Scythians in her book called, "Alexiad".. Comnena remarks that the Pechenegs, whom she calls as Scythians, speak the same language as the Komans/Kuman/Kipchaq/Kipchak Turks..

* Scythian Vocabulary in the Sources
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turk...tSourcesEn.htm

Scythians were absorbed mainly by Turks but in turn many Turkic-Scythians were absorbed by other peoples like Hungarians, Jews (myself), Persians, Afghans, Indians etc. Scythians were an Indo-European people.

[Anglojew]

The Ossetians are the closest people to the ancient scythians, and they are descended from the Alans who are part of the sarmatian tribe which is a sub tribe of the Scythian peoples. Scythians are eastern iranian people, and every modern linguist and archeologist acknowledges that fact. All of the quotes you posted are anicent and outdated, and have no merit when it comes to reality and facts.

"n a study conducted in 2014 by VV Ilyinskyon on bone fragments from 12 Alanic burials on the Don River, 6 samples turned out belonging to yDNA Haplogroup G2 and 6 samples belonging to mtDNA I. This is a strong argument for direct Alan ancestry of Ossetians and against the hypothesis that Ossetians are alanized Caucasic Speakers, since the major Haplogroup among Ossetians is G2*."
https://www.academia.edu/7061155/%D0...D0%A1._312-315

This is true.

[Yabgu]

every modern linguist and archeologist acknowledges that fact.

Lol.. Since when, you have such capacity to have enough knowledge, regarding the works of "every modern linguist and archeologist" and make a comparison?

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* The following citation of the 14 Scythian words from the work of A. Chay, who in 2002 republished the A.D. Mordtmann list of the Scythian words found in the Assyrian tablets is mirrored below, with a known English translation, and juxtaposed against readily accessible Turkish translation. The Turkish translation belongs to the Oguz branch of the Türkic language, separated from the Scythian originals by a time of 27 centuries and space of half Eurasia, and still the proximity of the modern Oguz and Classical Scythian is readily apparent.

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turk...tSourcesEn.htm

[StonyArabia]

They are maybe born with Arabian mothers for some generations. This is normal. But they have blood lineage, identity and language. This make them Turks.

This is true, there was often a process of Turkmens often taking women from the most powerful Arabian tribes to cement alliances. This process continued until the dissolution of the Ottoman empire. Though the Turkmens and Bedouins often fought each other over control of North Iraq. When the Oghuz Turks migrated from Iran into Iraq they fought with the Banu Uqyal Bedouins, who managed to defeat them and thus keeping most of Mosul as Arab speakers since the battle of 1044. However the process of intermarrying with the local Bedouin princesses often continued.