Arbereshe del sud Italia

[Ulla]

A Palermo ne conosco qualcuno di queste origini che però ormai parla l'italiano.
Solitamente si contano i soggetti che seguono il rito bizantino tipico loro non chi parla l'albanese.
Credo che la comunità più meglio conservata è quella di Piana.

Ci sono anche nel nord Italia arrivati con migrazioni più recenti dal sud Italia. Questo per esempio sta in Piemonte, è stato consigliere in regione, e nel 2010 ha sostenuto la lista Cota

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deodato_Scanderebech

[Tacitus]

Interessante che il comune arbereshe piu' grande non e' nella Sicilia o Calabria, ma Puglia:

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Ma...i_San_Giuseppe

[Tacitus]

If I just changed a small part of your text, it could apply the same to the Arvanites.

Many Arvanites from the Peloponnese came to Calabria during the 1500s. Some founded the town San Demetrio Corone, named after the Greek city of Koroni. Arbereshe is still spoken there today IIRC.

[alfieb]

LMFAO, classic Raine

Same story. I got thumbs down :


I'll ignore the whole you registered a few weeks ago thing.

[Ulla]

Enrico Cuccia è stato forse uno degli italiani di origine arbereshe più di successo in Italia. Era arbereshe da parte di padre, il nonno proveniva da Mezzojuso in Sicilia, e per tanti anni Cuccia è stato l'uomo più potente della finanza in Italia.

"Enrico Cuccia (24 November 1907 – 23 June 2000) was an Italian banker, who was the first and long-term president of Mediobanca SpA, the Milan-based investment bank, and a significant figure in the history of capitalism in Italy.

Cuccia was born in Rome on 24 November 1907 into a Sicilian family. His family were Catholic. His father was a senior civil servant at the finance ministry, while his paternal grandfather was a lawyer from Mezzojuso in Sicily, an Arbereshe community."

[wvwvw]

I used to date an Arbereshe girl. Well, Arbereshe in as much as she was Palermitan and her family name was of Arbereshe origin and her father had been raised as a member of the Byzantine-rite Italo-Albanian Catholic Church in Palermo. But she called herself a Greek, because they didn't speak Albanian anymore and had come to adopt their church as their identity.

By blood she is an Arbereshe. By culture, not so much. By language, not at all. People like that have existed for 500 years. There were Arbereshe towns in Eastern Sicily that went native and now speak Sicilian and Italian. Only the towns in Palermo retain their identity, and not even all of those. Three or four, I think... and a few others used to speak Albanian but no longer do. But the blood and the names are still there.

First of all Arbereshe and Arvanite is not the same word nor the etymology comes from the same words.
Arberia=/= Arvana. Arvana was a Greek city for up to the 14th century.

Arvanites were Greeks from that wider region, some were billingual, and some spoke Arvanitika, which contained 35% Greek words and could be understood by Greeks back in the 1800's.

So if she considered herself Greek is because she was obviously was Greek. All these Arvanites had a strong Greek conscience and knew from their forefathers and oral traditions they were Greeks. You are not in position to dictate to them how to identify, just like I am not in position to tell *YOU* how to identify.

[Era]

First of all Arbereshe and Arvanite is not the same word nor the etymology comes from the same words.
Arberia=/= Arvana. Arvana was a Greek city for up to the 14th century.

Arvanites were Greeks from that wider region, some were billingual, and some spoke Arvanitika, which contained 35% Greek words and could be understood by Greeks back in the 1800's.

So if she considered herself Greek is because she was obviously was Greek. All these Arvanites had a strong Greek conscience and knew from their forefathers and oral traditions they were Greeks. You are not in position to dictate to them how to identify, just like I am not in position to tell *YOU* how to identify.

arban=arvan=alban they are all the same thing crank just local variations.

[Sideritis]

Per la logica mathematic credo che ci sono piu di 60.000 arbereshe. Se ci sono stati 8(9) migrazioni sono poce persone. Questo deve dire che ci sono assimilati oppure hanno migrato in un altro paese. Ho conosciuto un Arbereshe in Alemanga che era sposato con una tedesca e parlava la lingua perche era un po vecchio.

[wvwvw]

arban=arvan=alban they are all the same thing crank just local variations.

These are names unrelated to each other. I also showed you in another thread the regions of Arvana, an Ancient Greek city that was Greek up to the 14th century and Arberia which was a totally different region in Albania.

Arberesh=/arvanites

Arvanites never in the annals of history considered themselves anything other than Greek, they knew from their oral traditions they were Greek. They can be seen on the map of the famous Croatian Albanologist that the Albanian government hired.

Btw Alfieb unwittingly thrashed the Albanian argument that Arvanites considered themselves Albanians and the bad Greeks forcibly Hellenized them. After 500 years in Italy the Arvanite girl he dated still considered herself Greek.

[Sideritis]

These are names unrelated to each other. I also showed you in another thread the regions of Arvana, an Ancient Greek city that was Greek up to the 14th century and Arberia which was a totally different region in Albania.

Arberesh=/arvanites

Arvanites never in the annals of history considered themselves anything other than Greek, they knew from their oral traditions they were Greek. They can be seen on the map of the famous Croatian Albanologist that the Albanian government hired.

Btw Alfieb unwittingly thrashed the Albanian argument that Arvanites considered themselves Albanians and the bad Greeks forcibly Hellenized them. After 500 years in Italy the Arvanite girl he dated still considered herself Greek.

lol crank. Alfieb is talking about Arbereshe not Arvanites. Anyways I didn't knew you were arvanites, I should have guessed.