Scytho-Turkic Z93 branch Z2125 vs. Indo-Aryan migration theory

[gültekin]

[KawaiiKawaii]

Bullcrap. The Altaic languages are related to the C haplogroup, not the R1a, no matter what the Turkics say...

There is no such thing as Altaic languages.

[Artek]

They are suffering from an identity crisis because no Turks has ever done anything useful in the course of the entire history. Few Greeks belong to the R1b haplogroup which brought the Greek language to Greece either, but at least we can pride of something...

That's obviously not true

[Alphawolf]

Agzi olan konusuyor.

[Duke]

scythians are not turkic

They were light haired Indoeuropean people

This pattern on scythian vase is same pattern we use, look at Croat below my forum name, its national pattern for us




this reconstruction looks similar to me



BTW, oldest records of our history, Roman bishop called us Sarmatians, this is before Sclaven word existed, and lists our people names, which are typical Slavic, therefore what was before Scythian/Sarmatian, now is Slavonic

[gültekin]

http://en.tengrinews.kz/science/Reco...khstan-255482/
crystal clear Turkic patterns, Turkic dress and Turkic symbol "ram" on top of her hood. There is nothing to discuss anymore...

[Petros Houhoulis]

There is no such thing as Altaic languages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages

Altaic /ælˈteɪɨk/ is a proposed language family of central Eurasia. Various versions include the Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, Koreanic, and Japonic languages.^[1] These languages are spoken in a wide arc stretching from northeast Asia through Central Asia to Anatolia and eastern Europe.^[2] The group is named after the Altai Mountains, a mountain range in Central Asia.
The Altaic language families share numerous characteristics. The debate is over the origin of their similarities. One camp, often called the "Altaicists", views these similarities as arising from common descent from a proto-Altaic language spoken several thousand years ago. The other camp, often called the "anti-Altaicists", views these similarities as arising from areal interaction between the language groups concerned. Some linguists believe the case for either interpretation is about equally strong; they have been called the "skeptics".^[3]
Another view accepts Altaic as a valid family but includes in it only Turkic, Mongolic, and Tungusic. This view was widespread prior to the 1960s, but has almost no supporters among specialists today.^[4] The expanded grouping, including Korean and Japanese, came to be known as "Macro-Altaic", leading to the designation of the smaller grouping as "Micro-Altaic" by retronymy. Most proponents of Altaic continue to support the inclusion of Korean and Japanese.^[5]
Micro-Altaic includes about 66 living languages,^[6] to which Macro-Altaic would add Korean, Japanese, and the Ryukyuan languages for a total of about 74. (These are estimates, depending on what is considered a language and what is considered a dialect. They do not include earlier states of languages, such as Middle Mongol or Old Japanese.)

[Duke]

http://en.tengrinews.kz/science/Reco...khstan-255482/
crystal clear Turkic patterns, Turkic dress and Turkic symbol "ram" on top of her hood. There is nothing to discuss anymore...

Those are turkic people, scythian people subdued them, like for instance, in Russia, you have lots of turkic people, but the "horde", are russians themselves

Early slavs
croats




Russians





Ukrainians(Kievan Rus)





Polish-Lithuanian

[Danishmend]

Bullcrap. The Altaic languages are related to the C haplogroup, not the R1a, no matter what the Turkics say...

Most common haplogroups among Turkic peoples are R1a, R1b, Q, J2 & N. Fucking idiot.

They surely suffer from identity crisis, since many of them are R1a-Z93, J2 etc, so a clades that have nothing to do with emergence of their language.

The same can be said about Scythian/Sarmatian-wannabe Slavs. Neither your culture/language, nor your dna have anything to do with Scythians/Sarmatians and other nomadic horse peoples (Even North Caucasians have more ANE Admixture than Slavs). Slavs originate from Pripet Marshes, they were never really part of the Great Steppe (their language, military tactics, culture etc were alien to steppe) , yet they do view themselves as descendants of Scythian tribes, which is one of the funniest anthrofora myths if you ask me. Connecting Slavs to Scythians just because of R1a* is beyond idiotic.

Everything steppe-influenced in their culture & language is due to Cumans, Tatars and other Turkic peoples. Scythians and other tribes of the steppe were already absorbed into Turkic identity & culture when Slavs first stepped out of their marshes. Which is why Anna Comnena of Byzantium called the Pecheneg invaders and their language "Scythian", and other Byzantine Historians called Oghuz Turks "descendants of ancient Massagetae". They were Turanist too, right?

The Cossacks were only steppe-influenced Slavic people. Their dress, military fashion, tactics, arms, armor etc was heavily influenced from neighboring Turk-Tatar, and later from North Caucasian peoples. Even the word "Cossack" is derived from Turkic "Kozak" or "Kazak". Slavs are not steppe people, never were, even though they live in the former lands of steppe peoples.

[Proto-Shaman]

So who invaded India? Ancient Turks?

Genetically Bashkirs and Kyrgyz to be exact (see A. Klyosov). Any further questions?