Scytho-Turkic Z93 branch Z2125 vs. Indo-Aryan migration theory

[Petros Houhoulis]

Here is some food for thought:

“However, we may look upon the Altaic taxon from the other angle. That is, from the point of view of the degree of the dispersion of the Indo-European family, whose dispersion is greater (V= 223.79%), than that of the Altaic (V= 207.76%) taxon. This speaks for the Altaic theory. Really, if the majority of linguists support the idea of the Indo-European family, then one should think twice before rejecting the Altaic taxon as a family, because the compactness of Altaic is greater.”

Yuri Tambovtsev. Novosibirsk Pedagogical University. Novosibirsk, Russia. “Language Taxons and the Naturalness of their Classification”. California Linguistic Notes. Volume XXX No. 2 Fall, 2005.

What the authors says is that if Indo-European is accepted as a language family, then he/she should also accept an Altaic language family.

Indo-European is as much spread as Altaic in area anyway...

[Petros Houhoulis]

here is some more food for thought:

Prof. Tuna said in his last days: “We have likely worked in vain to reconstruct the Proto-Altaic;
what we have done was to reconstruct the Proto-Turkic.”

Reconstructions of proto-languages are not proving anything. Much of the Altaic languages vanished, and as a result the reconstruction could be impossible...

[Duke]

once agian

Ancient Y-DNA data was finally provided by Keyser et al in 2009. They studied the haplotypes and haplogroups of 26 ancient human specimens from the Krasnoyarsk area in Siberia were dated from between the middle of the 2nd millennium BC and the 4th century AD (Scythian and Sarmatian timeframe). Nearly all subjects belong to haplogroup R-M17. The authors suggest that their data shows that between Bronze and Iron Ages the constellation of populations known variously as Scythians, Andronovians, etc. were blue- (or green-) eyed, fair-skinned and light-haired people who might have played a role in the early development of the Tarim Basin civilization. Moreover, this study found that they were genetically more closely related to modern populations of eastern Europe than those of central and southern Asia.[38] The ubiquity and utter dominance of R1a Y-DNA lineage

[Petros Houhoulis]

Bashkirs & Kyrgyz have the only haplotypes which are reasonably similar to that people who migrated 3400 years ago into India. This shows just the fallacy of the eurocentrics trying to own ancient Central Asians.

The IndoEuropeans have some roots in Western Asia, not much in Central Asia. The only proof of early Indo-Europeans in Central Asia are the Tokharians, and they are relatively late as well...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Shevchenko (alternative spellings Schevchenko, Ševčenko, Shevcenko, Szewczenko; Ukrainian: Шевченко), a family name of Ukrainian origin. It is derived from the Ukrainian word shvets (Ukrainian: швець), "cobbler/shoemaker", and the suffix -enko, denoting descent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shevchenko


When you have an idea, try first to verify if it's not retarded.

Gultekin is by definition retarded. He is a Turk of the highest order!!!

[Proto-Shaman]

What the authors says is that if Indo-European is accepted as a language family, then he/she should also accept an Altaic language family.

Indo-European is as much spread as Altaic in area anyway...

think more in the Nostratic way, then the world becomes easier...

[Arhat]

Most common haplogroups among Turkic peoples are R1a, R1b, Q, J2 & N. Fucking idiot.


The same can be said about Scythian/Sarmatian-wannabe Slavs. Neither your culture/language, nor your dna have anything to do with Scythians/Sarmatians and other nomadic horse peoples (Even North Caucasians have more ANE Admixture than Slavs). Slavs originate from Pripet Marshes, they were never really part of the Great Steppe (their language, military tactics, culture etc were alien to steppe) , yet they do view themselves as descendants of Scythian tribes, which is one of the funniest anthrofora myths if you ask me. Connecting Slavs to Scythians just because of R1a* is beyond idiotic.

Everything steppe-influenced in their culture & language is due to Cumans, Tatars and other Turkic peoples. Scythians and other tribes of the steppe were already absorbed into Turkic identity & culture when Slavs first stepped out of their marshes. Which is why Anna Comnena of Byzantium called the Pecheneg invaders and their language "Scythian", and other Byzantine Historians called Oghuz Turks "descendants of ancient Massagetae". They were Turanist too, right?

The Cossacks were only steppe-influenced Slavic people. Their dress, military fashion, tactics, arms, armor etc was heavily influenced from neighboring Turk-Tatar, and later from North Caucasian peoples. Even the word "Cossack" is derived from Turkic "Kozak" or "Kazak". Slavs are not steppe people, never were, even though they live in the former lands of steppe peoples.

slavs have more to do with scythians than altaic turks because both are at least indoeuropean people but turks were orginally just mongols and they still speak a non-indoeuropean language. The scythians spoke northeastern iranic languages like modern ossetians and they were genocided by turks so please stop to claim the heritage of them

[gültekin]

Shevchenko (alternative spellings Schevchenko, Ševčenko, Shevcenko, Szewczenko; Ukrainian: Шевченко), a family name of Ukrainian origin. It is derived from the Ukrainian word shvets (Ukrainian: швець), "cobbler/shoemaker", and the suffix -enko, denoting descent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shevchenko


When you have an idea, try first to verify if it's not retarded.

so and what means -ko
funny guy, there is also an Shovgen-ovsky rajon in Adigeya

Территория Русские Адыгейцы Армяне Украинцы Курды
г. Майкоп 72,6 % 16,7 % 3,0 % 2,5 % 0,0 %
г. Адыгейск 18,1 % 78,4 % 0,4 % 0,6 % -
Сельская местность
г. Майкопа 79,9 % 6,0 % 2,3 % 2,6 % 0,8 %
Гиагинский р-н 86,7 % 2,8 % 3,1 % 2,1 % 0,1 %
Кошехабльский р-н 43,0 % 49,4 % 2,0 % 0,8 % -
Красногвардейский р-н 63,0 % 17,3 % 1,8 % 1,7 % 10,3 %
Майкопский р-н 81,2 % 1,5 % 10,0 % 2,8 % 0,1 %
Тахтамукайский р-н 54,7 % 34,7 % 2,6 % 1,8 % 0,1 %
Теучежский р-н 27,2 % 68,4 % 1,0 % 0,8 % 0,1 %
Шовгеновский р-н 33,6 % 62,5 % 0,4 % 0,7 % 0,0 %
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90...B3%D0%B5%D1%8F

[Arhat]

The IndoEuropeans have some roots in Western Asia, not much in Central Asia. The only proof of early Indo-Europeans in Central Asia are the Tokharians, and they are relatively late as well...

indoeuropeans didnt orginated in west asia, they orginated somewhere in the pontic-caspian steppe and central asia was very early populated by them also because it is not far away from the eastern european steppe

[Proto-Shaman]

Reconstructions of proto-languages are not proving anything. Much of the Altaic languages vanished, and as a result the reconstruction could be impossible...

I recently had an eye at the article on Altaic at wiki and saw that Ainu was included. I never heard of that theory. Ainu are known to carry the y-haplogroup D which is also common in Tibet.