Scytho-Turkic Z93 branch Z2125 vs. Indo-Aryan migration theory

[Proto-Shaman]

Kushans were tocharyans from tarim basin.

Not indo iranian but 3rd branch of aryans.

I heard about these 3rd branch of Aryans. Can you tell us more about them? Where did they originated and which Indo-Aryan dialects are closest to it?

[Mingle]

Kushans were tocharyans from tarim basin.

Not indo iranian but 3rd branch of aryans.

Tocharians are not the same as Tukhara. The people of the Tarim Basin were incorrectly named "Tocharian". But anyways, what makes you say the Tocharians were Aryan? Aryan has always meant Indo-Iranian.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocharian_languages

Bactrian (along with Greek) was one of the official languages of the Kushan Empire. It had nothing to do with the "Tocharians" of the Tarim Basin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kushan_Empire

[Proto-Shaman]

@Kipchak are u from famous kipchak tribe ?

Yes, I am

[Proto-Shaman]

These people were overwhelmingly tall likely above 6.5 amd had red hair and blue/green eyes with nordid features based on their mummies found in their homeland tarim baisin.

This sound interesting. So they must have belonged to haplogroup R1b? Were they Centum or Satem?

[Proto-Shaman]

I dont that much but yes their ydna was R1b and closest to the celts as far as i know.

Here is the documentary of these mummies and Tocharyans

Ok, here comes the problem, Celtic is an agglutinative language, which is totally alien to Indo-European. And According to the Russian biochemist Anatol Klyosov R1b has also non-Indo-European origins, but Proto-Turkic and Dene-Caucasian instead.

[Proto-Shaman]

Tocharians are not the same as Tukhara. The people of the Tarim Basin were incorrectly named "Tocharian". But anyways, what makes you say the Tocharians were Aryan? Aryan has always meant Indo-Iranian.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocharian_languages

Bactrian (along with Greek) was one of the official languages of the Kushan Empire. It had nothing to do with the "Tocharians" of the Tarim Basin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kushan_Empire

Tocharians ≠ Tocharian ABC
read Stupipedia, in your own source. lol

[Mingle]

Tocharians ≠ Tocharian ABC
read Stupipedia, in your own source. lol

Yes that's what I said. They were wrongly given the name Tocharian. We already had this discussion a year or two ago if you remember.

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[Leto]

Yes that's what I said. They were wrongly given the name Tocharian. We already had this discussion a year or two ago if you remember.

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But they were still IE, weren't they? The Tarim basin.

[Mingle]

But they were still IE, weren't they? The Tarim basin.

Yes they were. I didn't pay attention to what he meant by "ABC". My point is that the Tocharians mentioned in history (Tukharas) are the original Tocharians and they were ethnic Bactrian. The people from the Tarim Basin are not Tocharians at all though but just wrongly given that name. But they were also IEs.

[Proto-Shaman]

Yes they were. I didn't pay attention to what he meant by "ABC". My point is that the Tocharians mentioned in history (Tukharas) are the original Tocharians and they were ethnic Bactrian. The people from the Tarim Basin are not Tocharians at all though but just wrongly given that name. But they were also IEs.

There is zero connections between the medieval Indo-European dialects of Tarim basin (Toch. A, Toch. B, Toch. C) and the Proto-Turkic Z93 mummies of the Tarim basin, neither to the historically recorded Oghuz Tokhars of Mahmut al-Kashgari.