Folk Dances of Turkey

[Edgü]

[RogueState]

Is the "Halay" a native Anatolian-Mesopotamian dance or was it brought by Turkomans when they arrived there ?

[Fedora]

Is the "Halay" a native Anatolian-Mesopotamian dance or was it brought by Turkomans when they arrived there ?

Dont you balkanites have such dances? Obvisouly not a turkic dance. The people in the video are Kurds.
It's Mesopotomanian-Anatolian-Balkan-Arabian thing.
Centrla Anatolian Turks and Eastern Turks dance it. But there are different ways in every province lol.

[RogueState]

I was sarcastic, because indeed, from the Balkans "kolo", "horo", "horos" to the Anatolian "halay", Armenian "kochari" to the Levantine "dabke", the circle dance, with zurna (kind of flute) and davul (kind of drum), is a native anthropological feature of the Greater East Mediterranean

The Turkomans that came to Anatolia just incorporated these native dances

[Bender1999]

I was sarcastic, because indeed, from the Balkans "kolo", "horo", "horos" to the Anatolian "halay", Armenian "kochari" to the Levantine "dabke", the circle dance, with zurna (kind of flute) and davul (kind of drum), is a native anthropological feature of the Greater East Mediterranean

The Turkomans that came to Anatolia just incorporated these native dances

Nope, sorry that is not true. Zurna and davul was brought by Turks, zurna was always used by Turkics and versions of davul can be found in Iran, Afghanistan, Central Asia and India. Turks adopted some foreign elements but still have many original Turkish traces. It is true that Ottomans were influenced by other cultures but the Ottoman influence to others were immense.

[Fedora]

Nope, sorry that is not true. Zurna and davul was brought by Turks, zurna was always used by Turkics and versions of davul can be found in Iran, Afghanistan, Central Asia and India. Turks adopted some foreign elements but still have many original Turkish traces. It is true that Ottomans were influenced by other cultures but the Ottoman influence to others were immense.

Meh, Central Asia was a crossroad of people. You will notice the musci of Iranian and Turks and the instruments are very similar.
Turkish ethnology sites say its a loanword from iranian language :
https://www.etimolojiturkce.com/kelime/zurna
davul
https://www.etimolojiturkce.com/kelime/davul
Appereantyl these words were recorded first by Turks in 11th century.
But yeah, the instruments came most likely with Turks to Anatolia and Balkans, just take Italy for comparison, they have been in contact with Balkan, Greece they don't have that type of music nor the cuisine and dances.

[Fedora]

Also Turkish village music is more similar to Uyghur, Uzbek music than it is to Balkan, Italy, Arab music etc..

[Bender1999]

Meh, Central Asia was a crossroad of people. You will notice the musci of Iranian and Turks and the instruments are very similar.
Turkish ethnology sites say its a loanword from iranian language :
https://www.etimolojiturkce.com/kelime/zurna
davul
https://www.etimolojiturkce.com/kelime/davul
Appereantyl these words were recorded first by Turks in 11th century.
But yeah, the instruments came most likely with Turks to Anatolia and Balkans, just take Italy for comparison, they have been in contact with Balkan, Greece they don't have that type of music nor the cuisine and dances.

I am not stupid, I know that these instruments have etymological an Iranian origin. Some also have Iranic origin, but you will find alike instruments like davul among old Turkics. The term ashik is of Arabian origin, but is a old Turkic tradition. My point was, regardless of the origin, (Anatolian)Turks brought most of their cultural skills with their Seljuk ancestors. And spread it in their lands. Obviously they were also influenced but this is often exaggerated.