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Thread: If phenotypes of an ethnicity do not match with the population's genetic average, what do you think?

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    Default If phenotypes of an ethnicity do not match with the population's genetic average, what do you think?

    A. The genetic results are incorrect

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    B. Poor sampling of the phenotypes or photos, or lack of exposure to the population in general

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    I ask because I was discussing Sicily and Calabria with someone, and they believed the two to look radically different. To me, it was because of poor sampling of photos of one versus the other, since genetic differences are nearly none.

    Another example is 23andme's Haitians scoring 75-90% African, when most Haitians look 100% SSA. Poor sampling of photos or of genetic results?

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    More so the former than the latter. They haven't really gone in-depth and checked to say the least.

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    Genetic similarity doesn't necessarily imply phenotypical similarity, and vice-versa.

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    Always trust genetics (but the tool may not be accurate). Selective breeding of phenotypes increases the prevalence.

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    Genetics and phenotypes correlate but genetics is more sensitive. Someone can look similar and yet be entirely different genetically. By entirely different, I mean on those plotting tools, which at same time I'm not sure what those fully correspond too IRL.

    It should be said that if someone has 5-10% admixture from an entirely different population, it might not show up on his phenotype but will dramatically skew where he plots.

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    Genetics is more important than phenotypes.

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    Hatians having 10% of White admixture that doesn't show up isn't surprising, since a lot of 10% Black people look totally White, and White genes are recessive to Black genes.

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    I meant to pick A, I would assume poor sampling.

    Like Odin had said, genetics are of more importance in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    A. The genetic results are incorrect

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    B. Poor sampling of the phenotypes or photos, or lack of exposure to the population in general

    ?

    I ask because I was discussing Sicily and Calabria with someone, and they believed the two to look radically different. To me, it was because of poor sampling of photos of one versus the other, since genetic differences are nearly none.

    Another example is 23andme's Haitians scoring 75-90% African, when most Haitians look 100% SSA. Poor sampling of photos or of genetic results?
    How about option C, which doesn't conform to most peoples agenda. That in fact, Phenotype does not always complement autosomal profile. Genes are selected at random. If one has the genes for a phenotype not associated with their predominant genetic admixture, it can randomly select less common genes.

    Plenty of cases where pure NE european admixture has dark phenotypes whereas completely med, and in some case even islanders randomly express genes for light skin and hair.

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    White genes aren't recessive to anyone's. People simply have extremely limited (due to low sentience) perceptions of what a black person is supposed to look like. African Americans are 22% European and are visibly far removed from Africans. They are taller, lighter, with more European features in their faces and fewer African. Part of the problem is that nobody seems to understand what pure Negroid black peiople look like, precisely because they hardly exist in America today.

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