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    Cancer ‘mainly bad luck’? An unfortunate and distracting headline
    Category: Science Blog January 5, 2015

    The root of the story

    The researchers set out to answer a simple but fascinating question: why do cancers arise more often in some tissues (e.g. the bowel) than others (e.g the brain)?

    To try to answer this, they looked at what was already known about cell division rates in a given tissue (specifically, specialised cells called ‘stem cells’, which renew and replenish the tissues in our bodies) and how this related to the overall risk of cancer in that tissue.

    ‘The Stats Guy’ blog summarised it thus:

    [T]he authors … looked at the published literature on 31 different types of cancer (eg lung cancer, thyroid cancer, colorectal cancer, etc) and estimated 2 quantities for each type of cancer. They estimated the lifetime risk of getting the cancer, and how often stem cells divide in those tissues.

    They found a very strong correlation between those two quantities: tissues in which stem cells divided frequently (eg the colon) were more likely to develop cancer than tissues in which stem cell division was less frequent (eg the brain).

    In other words, they found a mathematical relationship between the rate stem cells divide in a tissue, and the rate of cancer in that tissue (although several blogs questioned the way the researchers had used the statistics).

    According to the researchers, the maths could explain two-thirds of the variation between different tissues.

    It’s an interesting finding, which casts new light on an old mystery. But as Professor David Spiegelhalter noted on his blog:

    “[This] may be a fairly reasonable statement to make about population rates in different tissues, but of course says nothing about variation in risks between individuals, and certainly does not say that two-thirds of cases are just luck.”

    And that’s the key criticism of the way this paper has been interpreted. The media coverage has inadvertently jumped from talking about cancer rates in different tissues to speculating about cancer rates in the population. (Although it’s worth noting that the authors themselves still support the fact that certain cancers can be prevented by lifestyle changes.)

    Other criticisms

    The study also had another notable weakness: it looked only looked at cancer types where there was hard data about the rates of stem cell division.

    As a result, they missed two of the most common cancers – breast cancer (which is influenced by lifestyle factors like a woman’s reproductive health, her weight after the menopause, and how alcohol much she drinks) and prostate cancer (which is only weakly influenced by lifestyle).

    So although their finding is intriguing, there’s a way to go before we can say for sure it applies to all cancer types.

    So where does ‘luck’ come in?

    Molecular machinery of a dividing cell.
    Molecular machinery of a dividing cell.

    Let’s recap. Every time a cell in your body divides to create two new ones – something that happens billions of times a day – there’s a very (very) small chance a mistake could creep into its DNA, and one of the resulting cells could begin the long deadly journey towards developing into cancer.

    And, as these researchers have shown, the more often a cell divides, the more chance there is of something untoward eventually happening.

    So, in this sense, there’s an element of ‘bad luck’ about cancer. And it’s true that the disease can affect any of us – from the most avid gym bunny to the most determined couch potato.

    But we also know there are a whole host of things that affect the chances of DNA damage developing in a dividing cell.

    The chemicals in tobacco smoke, for instance, can modify DNA molecules, resulting in errors when they’re copied. The same is true of ultraviolet light.


    And, similarly, things that change the rates of cell division over our lives will also influence the chance of a ‘bad’ cell division. For example, fluctuating hormone levels through puberty, periods, pregnancy and the menopause, can affect cell division rates in the breasts, womb and ovaries. Obesity too can influence our hormone levels, and thus cancer risk.

    And long-term (‘chronic’) inflammation, as caused by certain infections, asbestos, and a host of other external influences, is thought to speed up cell division in other tissues.

    (This is not an exhaustive list, just a flavour of the different things that can influence the development of cancer).

    So to ascribe a particular patient’s cancer to ‘bad luck’ is essentially impossible. It’s a combination of myriad influences, some of which we can control, others which we can’t. And it’s certainly not about ‘blame’, as we’ve pointed out before.

    In his response to the media stories, Professor Spiegelhalter had this excellent analogy:

    [Imagine] there are tickets in a bucket marked cancers of different types, and a lot of blank tickets (and some marked ‘run over by bus’ etc). Smoking means you might get 20 times as many ‘lung-cancer’ tickets, but you still may be lucky and not draw one: many smokers don’t get lung cancer.

    So chance plays a very strong role, even in so-called preventable cancers. This leads to the apparently paradoxical observation that most lung cancers are ’caused’ by smoking, while all lung cancers are also a matter of bad luck.

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    Long term chronic inflammation significally contributes to many diseases including cancer.

    Processed foods are also called inflammatory foods because they produce inflammation in the body. Obese peoples' bodies are in a chronic inflammatory state and they sooner or later develop some sort of chronic disease which often results in an acute disease like cancer.

    The Role of Chronic Inflammation in Obesity-Associated Cancers

    http://www.hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2013/697521/

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    Journalists are mischaracterizing this study badly.

    The big science/health news story this week is about cancer rates, with news outlets splashing headlines like “Two-thirds of adult cancers largely ‘down to bad luck’ rather than genes” (for example, here) or “Most cancer types ‘just bad luck’” (here). (I’m not even going to look to see what the Daily Mail has to say about this.) But these headlines, and the stories, are just bollocks. The work, which is very interesting, showed no such thing.

    The stories are about a paper just published in Science under the title “Variation in cancer risk among tissues can be explained by the number of stem cell divisions” (here’s the abstract). The authors, Bert Vogelstein and Cristian Tomasetti, straight up tell you that their study explains variation in cancer risk, but it does not explain absolute cancer risk.
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    Anyway, the generation of specific mutations in the DNA of a cell are the initiating event leading to cancer, so it's not a revolutionary idea that a lot of cancers are due to pure dumb luck. Chance is involved in the development of any cancer, but that chance is also highly dependent on things totally in our control. Take skin cancer, where sustaining 5 or more sunburns in youth increases one's lifetime risk of melanoma by 80%, or lung cancer, which people who smoke are 18 times more likely to develop than non-smokers.
    Last edited by Stanley; 01-11-2015 at 02:57 AM.

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    Even disrupting your circadian rythm can affect your risk of cancer:

    Circadian rhythms govern a remarkable variety of metabolic and physiological functions. Accumulating epidemiological and genetic evidence indicates that the disruption of circadian rhythms might be directly linked to cancer. Intriguingly, several molecular gears constituting the clock machinery have been found to establish functional interplays with regulators of the cell cycle, and alterations in clock function could lead to aberrant cellular proliferation. In addition, connections between the circadian clock and cellular metabolism have been identified that are regulated by chromatin remodelling. This suggests that abnormal metabolism in cancer could also be a consequence of a disrupted circadian clock. Therefore, a comprehensive understanding of the molecular links that connect the circadian clock to the cell cycle and metabolism could provide therapeutic benefit against certain human neoplasias.
    http://www.nature.com/nrc/journal/v9...s/nrc2747.html

    Night shift work has been associated with an increased risk of breast cancer pointing to a role of circadian disruption.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24919398

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    This was a very real environmental cause that led many to die from cancer in the states, specifically mesothelioma:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestosis

    It was always related to occupational activity naturally. Ergo, your job could potentially lead you to cancer if there are certain occupational hazards you're exposed to.
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    It is being acknowledged that even our emotions affect our risk of cancer. That may explain why some people eat the right foods, and exercise and still get cancer.

    German New Medicine (GNM), developed by Dr. Ryke Geerd Hamer, M.D., operates under the premise that every disease, including cancer, originates from an unexpected shock experience.

    The discovery came after Dr. Hamer, the former head internist in the oncology clinic at the University of Munich, Germany, lost his son in an unexpected tragedy, then developed testicular cancer. The diagnosis led him to study the connection between stressful events and disease by investigating the histories of his cancer patients.

    He found that, like himself, every one of his patients had gone through a very stressful episode prior to developing cancer, and, upon investigating other diseases found that every disease is controlled from its own specific area in the brain and linked to a very particular, identifiable, “conflict shock.”

    GNM is based of five biological laws that apply scientifically to each and every case of disease. They include:

    #1: Every disease is caused by a conflict shock that catches an individual completely off guard.
    #2: Provided there is a resolution of the conflict, every disease proceeds in two phases, a conflict-active phase and a healing phase.
    #3: Ties the findings of the first two laws into the context of embryology and the evolution of man. It illustrates the biological correlation between the psyche, the brain, and the organ from an evolutionary point of view.
    #4: Addresses the role of microbes in the context of evolution and in relation to the three germ layers from which our organs originate. Microbes are indispensable to your survival.
    #5: Every so-called disease has to be understood as a “meaningful special biological program of nature” created to solve an unexpected biological conflict.
    Further, Dr. Hamer believes that a person cannot die of cancer in and of itself.

    If someone dies during the conflict-active phase of disease, he says, it’s because of energy loss, weight loss, sleep deprivation, and emotional and mental exhaustion. The stress of receiving a cancer diagnosis, or being given a negative prognosis, is often enough to deprive a person of their life-force. Conventional cancer treatments only accelerate the downward spiral.

    While trying to publicize his findings, Dr. Hamer has been persecuted and harassed by German and French authorities. He is now living in exile in Spain where he is continuing his fight for official recognition of GNM.

    http://germannewmedicine.ca/documents/welcome.html

    Negative Emotions Can be Deadly to Your Health
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...ur-health.aspx

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    Dr. Mercola's Comments:
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    I have long maintained that your emotional state plays a role in nearly every physical disease -- from heart disease, to depression, to arthritis and cancer.

    Even the conservative Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) states that 85 percent of all diseases have an emotional element. And I believe the actual percentage is much higher.

    It is not surprising that Dr. Hamer has been persecuted for trying to publicize his GNM findings that solving an emotional conflict is the first step to healing disease. Most all new theories, particularly those that go against recommending drugs, surgeries, and conventional treatments, go through this. It makes complete intuitive sense that the stress of receiving a negative prognosis -- "You have six months to live" -- would be enough to make a person give up hope entirely.

    And, of course, once your mind gives up hope, your physical body will follow.

    Fortunately for you, the converse also holds true.

    If you tend to focus on pain, misery and grief, you will tend to experience and attract more of that into your life. Alternatively, if you keep your focus on what you want to experience and put some energy into healthy lifestyle choices, your body really doesn't have much of a choice. Before you know it you will start to feel much better.

    Quite simply, it's one of the most amazing and remarkable transformations that you could possibly imagine.

    If allowing your body to heal itself by resolving your emotional conflicts is as intriguing to you as it is to me, please do read through the PDF file above. It's a fascinating read!


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    ^Mental health is extremely important to overall health. Often times when one's spouse dies, the one left behind follows relatively soon. Particularly in old age. Families that care about their widowed relative will often go out of the way to make the widowed's mental health better by visiting them frequently and keeping them close at family gatherings/functions etc.

    The age old adage: Healthy mind healthy body, healthy body healthy mind.
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    We all knew this.. what is TRULY frightening to me is the following:

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    Per the Surveillance, Epidemiology, and End Results Program, a branch of the National Cancer Institute, approximately 40.4% of men and women will be diagnosed with cancer at some point during their lifetime, based on data between 2009 and 2011.

    This is nearly half of the population. THAT is scary. To me it suggests that cancer is also partially caused by habits shared by the entire population that we do not yet know are bad, like usage of certain technology that might emit harmful radiation or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crank View Post
    The study which is probably funded by the big pharma, to use their own terminology, omits to mention that we make our luck. Although it is true that some types of cancers like brain or bone cancer are due to bad luck it is also true that most of the cancers are due to lifestyle choices like the food we are consuming. There is no doubt that the mummified preservatives-ladden food we are eating is responsible for a great number of cancers and chronic diseases.
    You are probably right that would explain why cancer is so high in America : processed foods etc... it is already proven that certain artificial sweeteners and shit can cause cancer. Most Americans eat a shitty inferior diet. I eat only healthy non-processed food.





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