Will the economic downturn help "our" cause?

[Skandi]

I posted a thread nearly a year ago on Skadi...... (no drama here though )
entitled "would an economic downturn help us?"

So I thought I would resurrect it with a slight twist. Will or Has the economic downturn helped the nationalistic cause? Have you got any examples from your area?

[TheGreatest]

Economic independence was probably the dominant factor (next to media) in the liberal revolution.
I don't think my Great Great Grandmother in 1890, who was married at 17, had the option to stay at home till 30 and become a corporate manager w/o children


But I don't see society falling back on old traditions because of a downturn in the economy. So yes it's going to be miserable

[Absinthe]

Yes, I firmly believe so! But I need to elaborate more tomorrow as I am writing from my boyfriend's tiny, almost pocket size, laptop and the keyboard is too uncomfortable for my long nails (women )

[Æmeric]

Anything that will help sweep away the current political & economic order will help our cause. Globalization & mulitculturalism/diversity go hand-in-hand. One of the main reasons given for diversity (in the US) is that it will help us compete in the global economy, though it doesn't seem to be something the Japanese, Koreans or Chinese want to embrace. A truly new order in a world in chaos could get away with real radical changes that would be next to impossible to implement in a more stable world. People are afraid of change so it must creep in slowly - such as with the social changes that have accured over the last 40-50 years with mass immigration from the third-world (which btw, the true nature of what was happening was not revealed until the elites decided it was too late to turn back) & all the social legislation to ensure equality. Radical change over a short period of time can occure best, with the least amount of resistance, during moments of grave crisis.

Of course the danger lies in the fact that those who want a truly One-World entity will try to take advantage of the same economic chaos to achieve their goals. The major crisises of the last 100-years - WWI, the Great Depression, WWII, the Cold War - all played into the onward march towards One-World government.

[Pino]

I dont know, during the downturns of the 80s in Britain which was alot worse than the current situation is at the moment although alot of people did move to our cause a hell of alot more went over to the complete opposite end of the spectrum with the lefties.

Though I can see why in a way, when sombodys factory has closed down an they are presented with one leaflet saying "save the white race" and the other saying "workers revolution" at that moment in time the workers revolution and talking about all the working class uniteing is going to appeal to sombody there and then.

I think our cause needs to start using some different forms of methods of advertisements, giving sombody statistics about how there race is going to be extinct in 100 years time is not joe publics concern of the day when there is nothing on there mind other than how they are going to pay the bills and where they next day of work is coming from.

[TheGreatest]

I dont know, during the downturns of the 80s in Britain which was alot worse than the current situation is at the moment although alot of people did move to our cause a hell of alot more went over to the complete opposite end of the spectrum with the lefties.

Though I can see why in a way, when sombodys factory has closed down an they are presented with one leaflet saying "save the white race" and the other saying "workers revolution" at that moment in time the workers revolution and talking about all the working class uniteing is going to appeal to sombody there and then.

I think our cause needs to start using some different forms of methods of advertisements, giving sombody statistics about how there race is going to be extinct in 100 years time is not joe publics concern of the day when there is nothing on there mind other than how they are going to pay the bills and where they next day of work is coming from.

But there were no minorities in the 1980's Britain. Especially in Scotland where it was one of the worst-hit parts of the economic downturn. Most of those minorities started arriving in the late 90's and 2000's.
But the economic downturn will not help us. Unless of course it leads to a Mad Max Scenario, where most Jews will leave the United States (without them the whole foundation will begin to crumble. Much like in the Soviet Union when most of the Bolshevik Jews had left ship for Israel) or a change in social values.


And of course to us ''common people", these two things are impossible or out of our control.
Which is why, particularly among the White Nationalist community, there has been an emphasis on eugenic (raising strong, intelligent and good-moral children), relocation, self-survival and separatism


These are the same values that are practiced among the Boers in South Africa and in other African countries were Whites are a dismal minority. And nevermind the Mormons. Christian Identity is something I would support (but I don't know much about it) because it might lead to the creation of a separate identity

[Loki]

The downturn would impact negatively on destructive tendencies like immigration. Just as an example, many thousands of European guest workers in the UK are now returning to their home countries. However, these are Europeans, like Poles. It is doubtful whether Third Worlders like Somalians, who receive benefits and are asylum seekers, would return. Why? The govt pays them.

But yes -- a downturn does work against globalisation, which is a good thing. Also, more unemployment at home would put strong pressure on the governments to limit labour immigration. If they do not do it, there could be widespread revolt.

As for the banking system -- the worst thing is that our corrupt governments are bailing the banks out with taxpayers' money! This will just make the corporations richer and the taxpayers poorer and more in debt. So in fact, this downturn is now turning us even more into slaves of the government. It almost seems orchestrated.

The best thing would have been if the banking system totally seized up, no government bailouts. The govt's should bail out the taxpaying citizens who are the consumers, and the lifeblood of the economy. Yet, they are too stupid to realise this (or maybe they do but are too corrupt). If all those billions have been given to consumers in order to clear their debt, and the banks left to go bust, in the long term it would have resulted in a far healthier economy. But now, the evil circle of indebtedness will continue. Pondering on these matters makes me feel decidedly anti-capitalist!

[TheGreatest]

The downturn would impact negatively on destructive tendencies like immigration. Just as an example, many thousands of European guest workers in the UK are now returning to their home countries. However, these are Europeans, like Poles. It is doubtful whether Third Worlders like Somalians, who receive benefits and are asylum seekers, would return. Why? The govt pays them.

But yes -- a downturn does work against globalisation, which is a good thing. Also, more unemployment at home would put strong pressure on the governments to limit labour immigration. If they do not do it, there could be widespread revolt.

As for the banking system -- the worst thing is that our corrupt governments are bailing the banks out with taxpayers' money! This will just make the corporations richer and the taxpayers poorer and more in debt. So in fact, this downturn is now turning us even more into slaves of the government. It almost seems orchestrated.

The best thing would have been if the banking system totally seized up, no government bailouts. The govt's should bail out the taxpaying citizens who are the consumers, and the lifeblood of the economy. Yet, they are too stupid to realise this (or maybe they do but are too corrupt). If all those billions have been given to consumers in order to clear their debt, and the banks left to go bust, in the long term it would have resulted in a far healthier economy. But now, the evil circle of indebtedness will continue. Pondering on these matters makes me feel decidedly anti-capitalist!

But that isn't capitalist! Even the founder of modern Laissez-faire, Adam Smith, wrote that the Government should never bail out the banks or support corporations!


I don't know what people would classify the United States as, but it's probably some kind of interventionist corporate state, soon to be Communist, under Barack Obama.

[Æmeric]

But there were no minorities in the 1980's Britain.

There was. But their numbers were still under 2 million in 1980. I first became aware that there were non-Whites in countries like England in 1981 when a series of race riots broke out across England.

[TheGreatest]

There was. But their numbers were still under 2 million in 1980. I first became aware that there were non-Whites in countries like England in 1981 when a series of race riots broke out across England.

Though I was under the impression that Scotland and Northern Ireland had none to begin with.
Sure there was probably a bunch living in London. But then in 1981, it was probably a lot more tolerable. The London I saw in 2007 was a dystopia. Saw nothing but East Indians in the downtown residential. Was followed by an ''untouchable'' caste (dark as coal) Indian for a couple of blocks. Couldn't understand their taxi-cab accents. And ate free at the buffets.

I guess this is the anarchist lifestyle that most anarchists envisioned? I sure don't want part in that kind of society