Bulgars were Turkic

[Chelubey]

Chuvashia and Tatarstan are neighboring provinces, but you can see that there are some differences. E is 14% in Chuvash, 5% in Tatars. Tatars have more East Asian haplogroups like O and C. They also have a bit of G which is haplogroup from the Caucasus. The N haplogroup in both groups is most likely from Finno-Ugric people, but some of it may have came with the Mongols. Overall Chuvash have 72% West Eurasian and 28% East Asian DNA. Tatars have 64% West Eurasian and 36% East Asian DNA. Looks like the Tatars of Kazan are descendants of mostly Bulgars and Finno-Ugric people with a sprinkle of the real Tatars and Kipchaks. They most likely accepted the Kipchak language because Kazan was the capital of the Khanate.

This is not an objective interpretation.
5% of hg C of Tatars is the peak value of one sample. Usually 2-3%(This is possibly the descendants of the Lower Volga nomads (such as the Nogais), not the Mongols.
Chuvashs are autosomally slightly more Eastern Eurasian than Tatars (despite that Tatars are mixed with Bashkirs and Nogais), Chuvash are also autosomally more Uralic, less "Caucasian-Balkan" despite haplogroup E.

The language of the Tatars is not Mongolic, but Turkic one. This is just a Russian exonym adopted by Tatars .
The Kipchak language was widespread in the Golden Horde, but it is the language of the conquered(by the Mongols) population , not the conqueror language.
The Kipchak language did not spread with the Mongols (there is no such historical data).

[-Invictus-]

This is not an objective interpretation.
5% of hg C of Tatars is the peak value of one sample. Usually 2-3%(This is possibly the descendants of the Lower Volga nomads (such as the Nogais), not the Mongols.
Chuvashs are autosomally slightly more Eastern Eurasian than Tatars (despite that Tatars are mixed with Bashkirs and Nogais), Chuvash are also autosomally more Uralic, less "Caucasian-Balkan" despite haplogroup E.

The language of the Tatars is not Mongolic, but Turkic one. This is just a Russian exonym adopted by Tatars .
The Kipchak language was widespread in the Golden Horde, but it is the language of the conquered(by the Mongols) population , not the conqueror language.
The Kipchak language did not spread with the Mongols (there is no such historical data).

It's objective if you look at the 2015 study I used to compare it. https://yadi.sk/i/mq4DnvOKfLsHv Here, the original is in Russian. You can check it out. I just used this site, cause the results are the same and it's easier for a non-Russian speaker(and Crn Dog shared it with me ) https://yhaplogroups.wordpress.com/2...oups-in-turks/ Chuvash's only East Asian haplogroup is N from the Finno-Ugric people who lived there. There is a possibility that some arrived with the Mongols, since there are Mongol language speakers today around the lake Baikal and the haplogroup N is pretty common there. I don't get how they are more East Asian if the total of their West Eurasian haplogroups is 72% and with Tatars it's 64%.

Why do you do this? I provided a link to the Kipchak languages group Wiki page and quoted it. Don't correct me on things I didn't say. Okay? Also if it's Kipchak, then it means that it doesn't have common with the Bulgars. Here. A quote from my comment that you selectively quoted to "correct me" - "Also Tatars speak a different branch of Turkic. Chuvash are the only people who speak a language from the Oghur branch. Tatars speak Kipchak branch language."

Very objective reply. "Thanks!"

[Chelubey]

Chuvash's only East Asian haplogroup is N from the Finno-Ugric people who lived there.

No.In studies it is usually indicated that less than 1% of Chuvashes have haplogroup C.
But it really doesn't matter.
https://ru.qwe.wiki/wiki/Chuvash_people

Haplogroups Q and C are rare among the Chuvashes.

I don't get how they are more East Asian if the total of their West Eurasian haplogroups is 72% and with Tatars it's 64%.

It doesn't really matter. If we are talking about the East Eurasian and West Eurasian components in the genetics of Tatars, then Tatars are autosomally 80% Srubnaya-like. Mtdnk of Tatars are close to Bashkirian, Nogais, Balkarian ones. The percentage of different haplogroups does not matter in this case.

I am still waiting for a reasonable interpretation of the following facts from you.
1.How Mongols taught the Tatars the Kipchak language.
2. Why the Bulgar funeral rite was preserved among Tatars, and not among Chuvashes.
3. Why the Chuvash did not have Islam and Arabic script.
WILHELM DE RUBROCK ABOUT BULGARS AND BASHKIRS

and from this place to the cities of Great Bulgaria to the north is considered five days' journey. And I wonder what the devil brought here the law of Mohammed. For from the Iron Gates, located at the end of Persia, it takes more than thirty days' journey to, ascending near Etiliya, cross the desert to the mentioned Bulgaria, where there is no city, except for some villages near the place where Etiliya flows into the sea; and these Bulgars are the most vicious Saracens(muslims.- Chelubey), adhering to the law of Magomet more tightly than anyone else
1253 year.

All foreign sources describe Volga Bulgaria as an Islamic state.

[-Invictus-]

"I correct you and twist your words, but now it doesn't matter"

I am still waiting for a reasonable interpretation of the following facts from you.
1.How Mongols taught the Tatars the Kipchak language.
2. Why the Bulgar funeral rite was preserved among Tatars, and not among Chuvashes.
3. Why the Chuvash did not have Islam and Arabic script.
WILHELM DE RUBROCK ABOUT BULGARS AND BASHKIRS

All foreign sources describe Volga Bulgaria as an Islamic state.

1. Who said that? Of course they didn't. Are you going to twist my words again?

2. Source for that?

3. Source for that?

Okay, let's say that Kazan Tatars are the real descendants of Bulgars. You are also implying that Chuvash are not the real descendants, because of yada yada. That logically leads us to thinking that the Bulgars didn't speak "Oghur" language like the Chuvash. Right? Where does the whole theory of "ten arrows" go?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oghur_languages
"The Oghur languages are also known as "-r Turkic" because the final consonant in certain words is r, not z as in Common Turkic.[8] Chuvash: вăкăр - Turkish: öküz - Tatar: үгез - English: ox. Hence the name Oghur corresponds Oghuz in Common Turkic.[3]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ono%C4%9Furs
"The name Onoğur is most often derived as On-Oğur "ten Oğurs (tribes)".[2] Modern scholars consider Turkic tribal terms oğuz and oğur to be derived from Turkic *og/uq, meaning "kinship or being akin to".[3] The terms initially were not the same, as oq/ogsiz meant "arrow",[4] while oğul meant "offspring, child, son", oğuš/uğuš was "tribe, clan", and the verb oğša-/oqša meant "to be like, resemble".[3]"

Then Onogundur/Onogur Bulgars loses it's meaning. It would have been written as Onogunduz/Onoguz. Right?

[kundur]

Invictus was a Bulgar warrior having the strategic intelligence and resilience of Krum, as well as the wisdom of Omurtag and nation-building spirit of Boris. His absence is a loss for the Bulgar cause.

[Chelubey]

2. Source for that?

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91...80%D1%8F%D0%B4

Further, this custom of burying in a sidewall began to dominate among the Volga Bulgars, judging by archaeological materials, and to this day the Tatars, as well as Bashkirs, practice sidewall graves.

Archaeologists identify the sidewall graves as Bulgarian one, but the ethnicity of the non-sidewall graves on territory of Volga Bulgaria is unclear. Some archeologists note their similarity with the Finno-Ugric graves.

Okay, let's say that Kazan Tatars are the real descendants of Bulgars. You are also implying that Chuvash are not the real descendants, because of yada yada. That logically leads us to thinking that the Bulgars didn't speak "Oghur" language like the Chuvash. Right? Where does the whole theory of "ten arrows" go?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oghur_languages
"The Oghur languages are also known as "-r Turkic" because the final consonant in certain words is r, not z as in Common Turkic.[8] Chuvash: вăкăр - Turkish: öküz - Tatar: үгез - English: ox. Hence the name Oghur corresponds Oghuz in Common Turkic.[3]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ono%C4%9Furs
"The name Onoğur is most often derived as On-Oğur "ten Oğurs (tribes)".[2] Modern scholars consider Turkic tribal terms oğuz and oğur to be derived from Turkic *og/uq, meaning "kinship or being akin to".[3] The terms initially were not the same, as oq/ogsiz meant "arrow",[4] while oğul meant "offspring, child, son", oğuš/uğuš was "tribe, clan", and the verb oğša-/oqša meant "to be like, resemble".[3]"

Then Onogundur/Onogur Bulgars loses it's meaning. It would have been written as Onogunduz/Onoguz. Right?

The Ogur-Oghuz relationship is just a hypothesis.
There is an ethnonym Uigur - but their language is not Oguric.
It is not known exactly what gur / ogur meant in ancient Turkic ethnonyms.
Mongolian ethnonyms often have a component "gar" (Dzungars), where "gar" means "a wing".

[Bender1999]

Invictus was a Bulgar warrior having the strategic intelligence and resilience of Krum, as well as the wisdom of Omurtag and nation-building spirit of Boris. His absence is a loss for the Bulgar cause.

You are the next, dont worry.

[kundur]

You are the next, dont worry.

Whatever you like. It should be bothering to be a Kurdish separatist refusing to integrate German society and encroaching people on the internet.

[Bender1999]

Whatever you like. It should be bothering to be a Kurdish separatist refusing to integrate German society and encroaching people on the internet.

Hahahagagaha

[Crn Volk]

List of Turkic of dynasties and countries. Surprise, surprise look who makes the list...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...untries#Europe