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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    It's all about the samples. Turkic admixture is widespread among Wallachians and Moldovians, and Szekels in Transylvania. While also present in some Bulgarians -no region specified- Romanians seem to have more because we have more proof of it, and they have more population. Bulgarians as a whole tested lesser than Romanians, and also have a lesser population.

    On the other hand, Romanians might indeed have more Turkic, and Bulgarians have lesser. In this option, the current result would be a result of the falsification of current Bulgarian-Romanian samples.
    I read somewhere, that Bulgarians have a lot of Byzantine admixture. Do you know from which ethnicity: I heard that Armenians settled Bulgaria in those times and until 1800 main populations in northeast Bulgaria were Gagauzes, also I found, that there was resettlement of a group of Seljuk Turks from Anatolia to Dobruja.
    "According to the 15th-century Oghuzname narrative, in 1261 Turkoman dervish Sari Saltuk accompanied a group of Turkomans into Dobruja, where they were settled by the Byzantine Emperor Michael VIII to protect the northern frontier of the empire. However, Dobruja was occupied by Tatars in the same period. The same source places him in Crimea after 1265, along the Turkomans transferred there by Tatar khan Berke, and after 1280 mentions him leading the nomads back to Dobruja.[18][19] After the death of Sari Saltik, part of the Turkomans returned to Anatolia, while other remained and became Christians"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriekman View Post
    I read somewhere, that Bulgarians have a lot of Byzantine admixture. Do you know from which ethnicity: I heard that Armenians settled Bulgaria in those times and until 1800 main populations in northeast Bulgaria were Gagauzes, also I found, that there was resettlement of a group of Seljuk Turks from Anatolia to Dobruja.
    "According to the 15th-century Oghuzname narrative, in 1261 Turkoman dervish Sari Saltuk accompanied a group of Turkomans into Dobruja, where they were settled by the Byzantine Emperor Michael VIII to protect the northern frontier of the empire. However, Dobruja was occupied by Tatars in the same period. The same source places him in Crimea after 1265, along the Turkomans transferred there by Tatar khan Berke, and after 1280 mentions him leading the nomads back to Dobruja.[18][19] After the death of Sari Saltik, part of the Turkomans returned to Anatolia, while other remained and became Christians"
    Correct on both.

    Anatolian Greeks, Anatolian Armenians, Northern Levants. That's why I used Kalehoyuk while modeling.
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriekman View Post
    In case of Iranic-Turkic theory of Bulgars, Bulgarians are 7-11% Bulgar

    Target: Bulgarian:BulgarianH2
    Distance: 3.3176% / 0.03317601
    60.0 BGR_IA
    32.4 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    7.6 KAZ_Molaly_LBA

    Target: Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
    Distance: 2.1881% / 0.02188145
    47.2 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    41.6 BGR_IA
    11.2 KAZ_Molaly_LBA

    Target: Bulgarian:BulgarianE2
    Distance: 2.6161% / 0.02616090
    45.2 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    44.8 BGR_IA
    10.0 KAZ_Molaly_LBA

    Target: Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
    Distance: 1.8577% / 0.01857656
    56.8 BGR_IA
    36.2 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    7.0 KAZ_Molaly_LBA

    Target: Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
    Distance: 2.1915% / 0.02191467
    53.2 BGR_IA
    38.0 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    8.8 KAZ_Molaly_LBA



    Distance: 3.6556% / 0.03655648
    Target: KAZ_Molaly_LBA | ADC: 2x RC
    61.1 Tajik
    38.9 Besermyan
    Tajiks are Turkic. See Wusun samples, they spoke Turkic. Molaly is followed up by a sea of Turkics. Iranic theory can't exist.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Proto-Shaman View Post
    Tajiks are Turkic. See Wusun samples, they spoke Turkic. Molaly is followed up by a sea of Turkics. Iranic theory can't exist.
    Tajiks literally speak persian I don't know where you get this. Wusun most likely were Indo-Europeans, how do you know they spoke turkic? We have no written language of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    But when not assuming it is from Cumans and not from Proto-Bulgars, then we see none Proto-Bulgar admixture in the region. You can also replace Turkic with Alanic and Iranic. But what you will see is shared Iranic/Alanic scores all over the Balkans. See:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora View Post
    Wusun most likely were Indo-Europeans, how do you know they spoke turkic?
    The revision history of the Wikipedia article tells me this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora View Post
    We have no written language of them.
    We have: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php...85400#Language
    Indo-European nationalists want to vanish history by forging false claims, because of ego.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Proto-Shaman View Post
    NICE TRY

    Ne dediğimi anladın mı bari?
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Yes they were Turkic
    Last edited by Crn Volk; 01-17-2021 at 09:51 PM.

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