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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Since both Shtokavian and Torlakian are part of the same dialect continuum, is there any way to draw the dividing line between Shtokavian and Torlakian? Like why is the dialect in Nish considered Torlakian but not the dialect in Krushevac? Does the Nish dialect have some features that the Krushevac dialect doesn't that makes it Torlakian? Or is the line between what is considered Shtokavian and Torlakian just drawn randomly?
    Linguists are divided about nature of Torlakian. Some consider Torlakian for archaic Shtokavian with Bulgarian mechanical influence, and some for separate dialect which is Serbian-Bulgarian hybrid.
    Your map refers on 100 years ago. Today real Torlakian can be found only in villages around Pirot and Dimitrovgad, mostly among older people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Linguists are divided about nature of Torlakian. Some consider Torlakian for archaic Shtokavian with Bulgarian mechanical influence, and some for separate dialect which is Serbian-Bulgarian hybrid.
    Your map refers on 100 years ago. Today real Torlakian can be found only in villages around Pirot and Dimitrovgad, mostly among older people.


    Map "Territories inhabited by Serbians" issued in Belgrade in 1848, at the cost of the Serbian government. On this map Macedonia, and today southeastern Sebia and southeastern parts of Kosovo are situated outside the boundaries of the Serbian people.

    Nevertheless, Serbian sources from the mid 19th century, continued to claim, the areas southeast of Nis, including Macedonia, were mainly Bulgarian populated.[10] Per Serbian newspaper, Vidovdan (No. 38, March 29, 1862), the future Bulgarian-Serbian frontier would extend from the Danube in North, along the Timok and South Morava, and then on the ridge of Shar Mountain towards the Black Drin River to the Lake of Ohrid in South.[11]
    Serbian elites after the mid of the 19th century, claimed that the Bulgarians located south-east of Niš were Old Serbians, which was an implementation of Garašanin's expansionist plan called Načertanije.[21] After the war between Russia and the Ottoman Empire (1877–1878), Principality of Bulgaria was created, but the lands in the regions of Niš, Pirot and Vranje became a part of Serbia. Nevertheless, the Serbian author Milan Savic still claimed that at this time (1878) Nis and environs were Bulgarian populated.[22] Serbia had successfully homogenized and modernized these new territories and in this way it assimilated the local Bulgarians of the Timok and Morava river valleys toward the end of the nineteenth century.[23] Afterwards Serbia turned its attention to the region of Macedonia.[23]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbianisation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archduke View Post


    Map "Territories inhabited by Serbians" issued in Belgrade in 1848, at the cost of the Serbian government. On this map Macedonia, and today southeastern Sebia and southeastern parts of Kosovo are situated outside the boundaries of the Serbian people.







    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbianisation
    SE Serbs never had Bulgarian identity.
    Genetically is confirmed tha they are closer to other Serbs than to Bulgarian. Deal with it!

    Serbization of FYROM is bullshit. There is only 35 000 declared Serbs in FYROM.

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