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Thread: Quais imigrantes e ascendência é mais superestimada pelos brasileiros de forma geral?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    Não duvido nada que o americano médio associe sobrenomes ingleses, os mais comuns em seu país, como sendo "Americans". Acontece isso no Brasil com sobrenomes lusos e acredito que o mesmo ocorra na América Hispânica com os espanhóis.
    Tem outra coisa: americanos lutaram contra a Inglaterra a fim de se tornarem independentes. Talvez esse seja um outro motivo para que eles não se identifiquem com a Inglaterra. Sei lá, por que clamar uma ascendência que seus ancestrais (quando já não eram mais ingleses, e sim americanos) lutaram contra a fim de terem sua independência?
    Claro!!!! Isso acontece também aquí... sobrenomes como González, Pérez, Martínez, Rodríguez, Gómez, García, Méndez e outros, sao considerados "locais" e nao espanhois.
    Na verdade é que assim a primeira vista isso parece uma burrice extrema... é de fato nao é algo totalmente acurado, mas infelizmente a maioría das pessoas se acostumaram assim.
    Infelizmente para alguém como eu, maiormente descendente de espanhois, as vezes sinto que de parte de alguns tem como objetivo esquecer ou minimizar a influência espanhola...
    Mas pensando bem, isso nao sería raro, se nos pensarmos que a élite de aqui desde tempos post-coloniais o que mais procurou é se afastar da Espanha, no jeito cultural e também econômico. No primeiro caso tentou ficar mais perto dos franceses e no segundo dos ingleses.
    E se a isso nos adicionarmos os esquerdistas atuais que sao terrivelmente anti-espanhois, isso é muito provável infelizmente...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    Não, a espanhola é bem subestimada. A imigração espanhola foi mais forte que a alemã, mas fala-se muito mais do último.
    em sp no brasil inteiro não

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    Mas o Brasil não se resume ao RS. Não se comenta muito sobre a imigração espanhola no Brasil, sendo que o impacto foi maior que a alemã.
    E os que comentam sobre ter sangue espanhol não recebem a mesma atenção positiva se comparado aos de origem italiana e alemã.

    Imigração italiana é a mais comentada e a espanhola a menos.
    Ninguém comentou até agora mas durante o período da união ibérica vieram alguns espanhois para a terra brazillis, que foram gradativamente absorvidos ao povo colonial "geral". Eu tenho os Garcia Carrasco em minha arvore de exemplo e muitos outros brasileiros podem ter ancestralidade espanhola colonial e nem saber, pois e muito distante.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolsonaro View Post
    I am pretty Sure that you are wrong though. There are still a lot of pure Germans in RS and SC. In the city i live, like 90% speaks German( even though a small cities but there are many similar cities in the region).
    The things is most of the true German and Italian Brazilians are not genetically tested most of the time. Most of these "german" and "Italian" razilians that you are reffering are probably just self-reported, they probably knew they had a possibility of not being fully.
    Even, my father is fully German
    Lets do this. Your register in gedmatch and check brazilian kits, Then come back here and say that i was right. Thanks.


    Im not saying there arent full german brazilians. I am saying they are rare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argentano View Post
    Lets do this. Your register in gedmatch and check brazilian kits, Then come back here and say that i was right. Thanks.


    Im not saying there arent full german brazilians. I am saying they are rare.
    There are the menonites and they are VERY isolated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacrificed Ram View Post
    There are the menonites and they are VERY isolated.
    Sure i am not dennying that. There are probably alot of brazilians with northern euro ancestry. My point is that in all brazil they are not very important.

    47,7% of Brazilian identify as white
    11% of Brazilians identify as white and live in the 3 southern states

    Lets say that 30% of those white southern brazilians are full german brazilians (which probably isnt even the case), that would mean that 3,4% of brazilians are white german southern brazilians

    So, of the 47,7% of brazilians identifying as white, just 7% (3,4/47,7) would be white german southern brazilians.

    THATS MY POINT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argentano View Post
    Sure i am not dennying that. There are probably alot of brazilians with northern euro ancestry. My point is that in all brazil they are not very important.

    47,7% of Brazilian identify as white
    11% of Brazilians identify as white and live in the 3 southern states

    Lets say that 30% of those white southern brazilians are full german brazilians (which probably isnt even the case), that would mean that 3,4% of brazilians are white german southern brazilians

    So, of the 47,7% of brazilians identifying as white, just 7% (3,4/47,7) would be white german southern brazilians.

    THATS MY POINT
    Very smart statement. Congrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argentano View Post
    Sure i am not dennying that. There are probably alot of brazilians with northern euro ancestry. My point is that in all brazil they are not very important.

    47,7% of Brazilian identify as white
    11% of Brazilians identify as white and live in the 3 southern states

    Lets say that 30% of those white southern brazilians are full german brazilians (which probably isnt even the case), that would mean that 3,4% of brazilians are white german southern brazilians

    So, of the 47,7% of brazilians identifying as white, just 7% (3,4/47,7) would be white german southern brazilians.

    THATS MY POINT
    Who is white? Someone with 90%, 80% or 70% of european DNA? Brazilian census uses self declaration to define race, if we used genetic criterion, as only people above 90% of european genetics was white, the white population of Brazil doesn't reach 20%.

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    Vi esse mapa no reddit, está accurate, ou é uma merda pegada? Para começar deveriam incluir Amerindian e African, havera alguns pontos na Amazonia e uns Africans na Bahia ou algo assim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cernunnos View Post


    Vi esse mapa no reddit, está accurate, ou é uma merda pegada? Para começar deveriam incluir Amerindian e African, havera alguns pontos na Amazonia e uns Africans na Bahia ou algo assim.
    I just need say portugueses rule everywhere, but some places in amazonic region may are untouched. The correct is populations overlap, where I live there are portugueses, spaniards, italians, germans, lebaneses, syrians, jews, blacks all living together. However there are places in southern Brazil where some populations are isolated, then are very common areas exclusively german, italian or slav.

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