Scotch-Iirish not a real ethnicity

[TheForeigner]

i emailed Elsa but she never responded.

I left a visitor message and also got no response yet. I'm also surprised to see that she is no longer a moderator.

[TheForeigner]

Northern Irish Presbyterians and Scots-Irish don't follow the same politics, history & mentality. You wouldn't get anywhere with that.

I don't think there is such a thing as ''Scots-Irish'' ethnicity. It is an American concept. Do you consider North Irish Protestants as Irish people or what? What do they think and what do other Britons see them as?

[TheForeigner]

Where does ''Ulster Scots'' name come from?

[Hong Key]

What is Ulster-Scots by The Ulster-Scots Agency
http://www.ulsterscotsagency.com/what-is-ulster-scots/

The Ulster Scot magazine - January 2015 by The Ulster-Scots Agency
http://www.ulsterscotsagency.com/fs/..._Backup%29.pdf

Ulster-Scots Language Society
http://www.ulsterscotslanguage.com/

The Scot-Irish of America and Ulster-Scots of N.Ireland share ancestors but they are old ancestors. To acknowledge the obvious connection does not indicate they are still the same but lineages (genetic/music/etc) can be traced back.

Now a good question Foreigner asked is how many Protestants in N.Ireland descend from Ulster-Scots aswell as consider themselves Ulster-Scots? I would assume they are descendents (with a small/large? Irish admixture) As far as identifying themselves maybe I am wrong , perhaps the examples I gave of murals, organizations are a very small minority.

[TheForeigner]

Their American descendants are much more mixed than the ones in Ireland.

[Nathaniel P. Banks]

Outside of America these people are referred to as Ulster Scots, even though there were sizable Northern English and Irish converts to Protestantism among them. This is documented somewhere in Albion's Seed I believe.

[Nathaniel P. Banks]

Some Historians describe these immigrants as "Ulster Irish" or "Northern Irish." IT is true that many sailed from the province of Ulster in northern Ireland, but these labels are not accurate when applied to the movement as a whole. The emigration from Ulster was part of much larger flow which drew from the lowlands of Scotland, the north of England, and every side of the Irish Sea.

Many Scholars call these people "Scotch-Irish." That expression is an Americanism, rarely used in Britain and much resented by the people to whom it was attached."We're no Eerish bot Scoatch," one of them was heard to say in Pennsylvania. Some preferred to be called Anglo-Irish, a label that was more commonly applied to them than Scotch-Irish during the Eighteenth century. Others were called "Saxon-Scotch." One Scholar writes: "....some Ulster protestants derived from families that were not Scottish at all, but English or Irish," He adds "... some immigrant groups that historians have labeled as Scots-irish never lived in Ireland but came directly from Scotland."

Albion's Seed (David Hackett Fischer) page 618

[TheForeigner]

So, I was right to assume it's an American term that describes a group that doesn't even exist.

[Nathaniel P. Banks]

The group existed and still exists. The term scots-irish is just an imprecise description.

[TheForeigner]

The group existed and still exists. The term scots-irish is just an imprecise description.

As your sources say, it was a more diverse stream of British migrants and settlers. They were just a bunch of Britons and their descendants are just American.