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I don't know what "Nordids" have to do with it. The subject is discussed in depth on Eurogenes and the Anthrogenica thread. This paper will be published so more information will be available. They obviously must have R1b from Yamnaya to say that R1a and R1b came with the Indo-Europeans. You need to look to genetics for your answers. A poster on Anthrogenica said that it looks like R1b in Spain took a different route from R1b to the Isles because ANE is a lot higher in the Celtic Fringe of the Isles than Iberia. R1b in the Celtic Fringe is overwhelmingly L21 and in Iberia it is DF27. The clades split somewhere (poss the Rhine) and took different routes. It is well worth reading some threads on Anthrogenica as many on there are FTDNA project managers and know there stuff on ydna.
I don't know how you can say that DNA proves worthless unless you don't have a good grasp of the subject because it has been extremely informative to me over the years. The R1b that came to the Isles was high in ANE whereas the R1b that went to Iberia got diluted possibly from mixing with Farmers.
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Nothing to do with me. This is what Prof. Reich stated and is due to Steppe ancestry. You know that ANE was in Mal'ta Boy don't you? I've always wondered why I get quite high Amerindian for a European in Gedmatch calculators well it is related to ANE which I am high in. I've had my K8 done. I'm sure you know that the Indo-Europeans came from the Caspian Steppe area?
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/21/sc...anted=all&_r=0
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Then Prof. Reich is an embedded scientist following eurocentric ideals. 24.000 years ago there was no steppe in Siberia or do you consider the Karitiana people from Brazil also of Steppe ancestry?
http://shinku.nichibun.ac.jp/jpub/pdf/jr/IJ1507.pdfMongoloid features had been originally acknowledged in the skeletal remains of a child found at the site of Malta. Alexeev (1998, 323) in his later publication was more cautious, stating that this area was“inhabited by a population of Mongoloid appearance".
There is no actual origin of IE's, there are too many theories. I don't believe in language families either.
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It sure is connected with R1b. R1b has not been found in neither Mesolithic or Neolithic Europe. Do I have to repeat that? The timeframe of its arrival in Western Europe coincides with that of IE languages.
This is what Roy King said:
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?bl...8&isPopup=trueThis is what Roy King said:
I'm very certain that R1b will be found in the aDNA Samara/Yamnaya samples from Reich's comments. Phylogeographically it makes sense--M73 and M269 are sister clades and both are found among Bashkirs and other Middle Eastern/Central Asian populations, eg among Tajiks and in the Iranian samples along the South Caspian. L23 variance is actually highest in Pakistan! I've said very little for two reasons: 1) I am an academic and honor the peer review process and 2) I have been a major proponent of J2 convecting the first Neolithic farmers to Europe which is clearly now not the case, with G2a taking preeminence.
That said, R1b surfed from the Eastern/Northern Caspian all the way into Europe with, probably, some R1b-L23 migrating from the Balkans into Anatolia, ferrying the Anatolian languages there.
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