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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Cop View Post
    23andme is not very accurate indeed and i'll have to read the paper you shown more carefull, however Pomors were re-finnicised after Swedish-Russian war, when tons of Karelian refugees moved to Pomor areas.

    Anyway if you're interested you can tak a look at north-dvina project, it's not exactly about Pomors, since Pomor is only one who lived at the shore (Pomors called continentals "foresters") however they are the same gentically.
    Hard to tell apart from different Finnic genetical waves, there situated Bjarmaland, there are even West Finnish toponyms and paternal lines from the Viking Age there.
    Last edited by Äijä; 05-29-2015 at 01:02 PM.
    "If the enemy is not attacking from the East it has flanked." Finnish proverb


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    Quote Originally Posted by Valtaves View Post




    These people look as regular north-eastern Slavs. There is nothing Finnic about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simargl View Post
    These people look as regular north-eastern Slavs. There is nothing Finnic about them.
    Have you been to Finland?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukko View Post
    Have you been to Finland?
    I haven't. But what has it got to do with my earlier statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simargl View Post
    I haven't. But what has it got to do with my earlier statement?
    That they fit fine in Finland, are the genetics wrong that Valtaves posted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukko View Post
    That they fit fine in Finland, are the genetics wrong that Valtaves posted?
    They don't fit fine in Finland. Valtaves's genetics is rather wrong.

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    Debunking the myth of the Finno-Ugric origin of the Northern Russians:

    Balanovsky ("The gene pool of the Russian North: Slavs? Finns? Paleo-Europeans?"):

    "1) Data on the polymorphism of the Y chromosome (which reflects the most differentiated line of succession) show that all the populations of the Arkhangelsk region are included in the extensive "northern" cluster with populations of Vologda Russians, Balts (Latvian and Lithuanian), Finnish-speaking peoples (Komi, Finns, Estonians, Group Karels, Vepsians and Izhorians), as well as German-speaking Swedes. Thus, the similarity of the Russian North with geographically remote Balts more pronounced than the with Finno-Ugric... In general, the genetic similarity of linguistically-diverse (Slavs, Balts, Finno-Ugric peoples, the Germans), but a geographical-close (from the Baltic to the Pechora) continuum of populations may indicate a preservation in this area of ​​the paleo-european gene pool, preceding separation of Balto-Slavic and Finnish linguistic communities.

    By mtDNA, the Russian North shows affinity with the more extensive array of peoples of Northern Europe. Genetically closest to the Russian North were Norwegians and Germans. In cluster also includes the Austrians, Swiss, Poles, Bosnians, Lithuanians, Irish, Scots. Close cluster formed by other Russian populations, Swedes, Estonians, Latvians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians. At the same time, the bulk of Finnish-speaking populations - the Finns, Karelians, Komi, Mari Mordvinians and - maximum remote from the entire european array and from Russian North, that denies the alleged earlier a powerful contribution of the Finno-Ugric layer in the formation of the population of the Russian North."

    Map the spread of AIDS-protective mutation del32 in autosomal gene CCR5 (area of the highest frequencies allocated oval)

    The mutual arrangement of the graph multidimensional scaling of gene pools of European nations according to groups of mitochondrial DNA


    So, "the gene pool of the Russian North = paleo-Europeans + northern Slavic colonization wave"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simargl View Post
    They don't fit fine in Finland. Valtaves's genetics is rather wrong.
    The girl looks like my classmate in high school and her mother looked the same, the man looks like my girlfriends relative.
    These are people I have observed a lot of time.
    "If the enemy is not attacking from the East it has flanked." Finnish proverb


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu8D9GaQwIs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukko View Post
    The girl looks like my classmate in high school and her mother looked the same, the man looks like my girlfriends relative.
    These are people I have observed a lot of time.
    I'll tell you a terrible secret, but most European peoples have a common phenotypes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorg View Post
    Debunking the myth of the Finno-Ugric origin of the Northern Russians:

    Balanovsky ("The gene pool of the Russian North: Slavs? Finns? Paleo-Europeans?"):

    "1) Data on the polymorphism of the Y chromosome (which reflects the most differentiated line of succession) show that all the populations of the Arkhangelsk region are included in the extensive "northern" cluster with populations of Vologda Russians, Balts (Latvian and Lithuanian), Finnish-speaking peoples (Komi, Finns, Estonians, Group Karels, Vepsians and Izhorians), as well as German-speaking Swedes. Thus, the similarity of the Russian North with geographically remote Balts more pronounced than the with Finno-Ugric... In general, the genetic similarity of linguistically-diverse (Slavs, Balts, Finno-Ugric peoples, the Germans), but a geographical-close (from the Baltic to the Pechora) continuum of populations may indicate a preservation in this area of ​​the paleo-european gene pool, preceding separation of Balto-Slavic and Finnish linguistic communities.

    By mtDNA, the Russian North shows affinity with the more extensive array of peoples of Northern Europe. Genetically closest to the Russian North were Norwegians and Germans. In cluster also includes the Austrians, Swiss, Poles, Bosnians, Lithuanians, Irish, Scots. Close cluster formed by other Russian populations, Swedes, Estonians, Latvians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians. At the same time, the bulk of Finnish-speaking populations - the Finns, Karelians, Komi, Mari Mordvinians and - maximum remote from the entire european array and from Russian North, that denies the alleged earlier a powerful contribution of the Finno-Ugric layer in the formation of the population of the Russian North."

    Map the spread of AIDS-protective mutation del32 in autosomal gene CCR5 (area of the highest frequencies allocated oval)

    The mutual arrangement of the graph multidimensional scaling of gene pools of European nations according to groups of mitochondrial DNA


    So, "the gene pool of the Russian North = paleo-Europeans + northern Slavic colonization wave"
    Dude, there are paternal lines traced to Finnish populations in that region, also place names and loan words.
    "If the enemy is not attacking from the East it has flanked." Finnish proverb


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu8D9GaQwIs

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