Pomors

[Äijä]

Cheboksarov:

"In the Soviet Union, the Nordic race is common among North Karelians, Arkhangelsk and Kem' Russians, Erzya from Lukoyanovsky district, Russians from the lower Vetluga and Shungensky district of the Yaroslavl region. Research author, made in 1938-1940 gg., have shown that the Nordic race also prevails among the Russians from Novgorod-Ilmen and in area of Novgorod colonization on the Northern Dvina and Vaga (Kholmogory, Shenkursk) and among the Komi from Udorsky and Pechora districts of the Komi ASSR."

Soviet science.

[Harkonnen]

No one denies the small Finnish influence among the northern Russians. But the theory of the Finnish origin of the northern Russians - proved false. The basis of the northern Russians - Slavs + Paleo-Europeans.

Genetic distance from Northern Russians:

No, that is not what that study says. The study says that Russian mtDNA is most similar to Central European populations, which just means that Russians have no maternal admixture from the native populations of the area. Which confirms the autosomal data: Russians are more or less pure Slavs from Central Eastern Europe. Paleo-Europeans were known for their high concentration of U5. As all Finno-Ugrian populations have higher concentration of U5 than Central Europeans, then something here obviously does not click. If North Russian mtDNA should show higher affinity to Paleo-Euro, it would automatically do so towards Finno-Ugrian too.

[Vorg]

Where are you from? I've been to Helsinki more than 20 times, and i wouldn't say that people Valtaves posted are similar to Helsinkians, however they could easily be Karelians, as well as Belarussians though.



You don't understand the genetics so far, Northern Russians are indeed close to Krarels, Vepses and similar stuff.

I understand perfectly. Compared with the Germans, Swedes and other Russians - they are far.

[Äijä]

Where are you from? I've been to Helsinki more than 20 times, and i wouldn't say that people Valtaves posted are similar to Helsinkians, however they could easily be Karelians, as well as Belarussians though.

From West Finland but the women and the man in question do have East Finnish surnames.

[Vorg]

Soviet science.

Much better than German and other pseudo-science of XX century.

[Rugevit]

[QUOTE=Not a Cop;3613829
You don't understand the genetics so far, Northern Russians are indeed close to Krarels, Vepses and similar stuff.[/QUOTE]

Karelians, Vepsians mixed with Slavs in the past;hence they're similar to Slavs. Helsinki Finns are similar to northern Swedes. Estonains are similar to Balto-Slavs. Baltic Finns is a mystery in term of autosomal DNA the way I see it.

[Vorg]

No, that is not what that study says. The study says that Russian mtDNA is most similar to Central European populations, which just means that Russians have no maternal admixture from the native populations of the area. Which confirms the autosomal data: Russians are more or less pure Slavs from Central Eastern Europe. Paleo-Europeans were known for their high concentration of U5. As all Finno-Ugrian populations have higher concentration of U5 than Central Europeans, then something here obviously does not click. If North Russian mtDNA should show higher affinity to Paleo-Euro, it would automatically do so towards Finno-Ugrian too.

Paleo-Euro not = Finno-Ugrians.

[Not a Cop]

I understand perfectly. Compared with the Germans, Swedes and other Russians - they are far.

This data is for mtdna or ydna, here is IBD-analys of Northern Russian:

[Vorg]

Genetic distance from Arkhangelsk Russians:

Y-DNA



mtDNA

[Äijä]

Karelians, Vepsians mixed with Slavs in the past;hence they're similar to Slavs. Helsinki Finns are similar to northern Swedes. Estonains are similar to Balto-Slavs. Baltic Finns is a mystery in term of autosomal DNA the way I see it.

The language was spread by N1c, the women are from Ireland to Caucasus.