Pomors

[Rugevit]

The language was spread by N1c, the women are from Ireland to Caucasus.

N1c1 is the result of bottle-neck effect in all likelyhood. On autsomal DNA Baltic Finns are similar to their neighbours. Baltic Finnic language was spread by a small group of people. True Finno-Ugric peoples have at least 20% of ancient Siberian admixture like Mari or Komi. That's how I see it.

[Äijä]

N1c1 is the result of bottle-neck effect in all likelyhood. On autsomal DNA Baltic Finns are similar to their neighbours. Baltic Finnic language was spread by a small group of people. True Finno-Ugric peoples have at least 20% of ancient Siberian admixture like Mari or Komi. That's how I see it.

Language is spread by prestige, they had to be pretty cool guys.

[Arhat]

I understand perfectly. Compared with the Germans, Swedes and other Russians - they are far.

No way they are close to Germans. Germans have much more Neolithic farmer admixture and much less WHG and ANE. Such kind of studies are often BS because they tell nothing about autosomal DNA. Pomors are genetically just Finns+Balto-Slavs and there is nothing surprising about that. But pre-Slavic Finns in North Russia were almost like Balto-Slavs and very Indo-European-like so it is hard to estimate direct Balto-Slavic admixture among them.

[Rugevit]

Language is spread by prestige, they had to be pretty cool guys.

You maybe right. Maybe for a period of time there was a group of men having hunter gather skills seen as superior in a colder climate. But that does not change the fact Baltic Finns are language shifters.

[Vorg]

No way they are close to Germans. Germans have much more Neolithic farmer admixture and much less WHG and ANE. Such kind of studies are often BS because they tell nothing about autosomal DNA. Pomors are genetically just Finns+Balto-Slavs and there is nothing surprising about that. But pre-Slavic Finns in North Russia were almost like Balto-Slavs and very Indo-European-like so it is hard to estimate direct Balto-Slavic admixture among them.

Read carefully.

"By mtDNA, the Russian North shows affinity with the more extensive array of peoples of Northern Europe. Genetically closest to the Russian North - Norwegians and Germans. In cluster also includes the Austrians, Swiss, Poles, Bosnians, Lithuanians, Irish, Scots."

[Äijä]

You maybe right. Maybe for a period of time there was a group of men having superior hunter gather skills seen as superior in a colder climate. But that does not change the fact Baltic Finns are language shifters.

Lol at the hunter gatherers.

They arrived in the Bronze Age and expanded in to the Iron Age.

[Rugevit]

Lol at the hunter gatherers.

They arrived in the Bronze Age and expanded in to the Iron Age.

Finno-Ugric peoples were rain deer herders using tools made of bones till recent times.

[Arhat]

Read carefully.

"By mtDNA, the Russian North shows affinity with the more extensive array of peoples of Northern Europe. Genetically closest to the Russian North were Norwegians and Germans. In cluster also includes the Austrians, Swiss, Poles, Bosnians, Lithuanians, Irish, Scots."

Yeah, do you think that Indian Brahmins and Russians are genetically close related because they are very rich in R1a? Y-DNA and even mtdna tell us nothing about actual genetic affinities. Pomors have probably some affinities with North Scandinavians but certainly not with Germans who rather cluster with Western and Central Europeans. Pomors are genetically simply too "Nordic" to cluster in any way with Germans.

[Vorg]

"Data on the most-studied and highly polymorphic in Europe, - autosomal marker CCR5del32 confirm this conclusion: the region, where meet regularly frequencies CCR5del32 covers the of the gene pool of the Northern half population of Europe, pointing to the existence of a powerful common genetic reservoir, which includes the Russian North. By number of people with high frequency CCR5del32, Finnish-speaking peoples are inferior to German and Slavic."

[Vorg]

Yeah, do you think that Indian Brahmins and Russians are genetically close related because they are very rich in R1a? Y-DNA and even mtdna tell us nothing about actual genetic affinities. Pomors have probably some affinities with North Scandinavians but certainly not with Germans who rather cluster with Western and Central Europeans. Pomors are genetically simply too "Nordic" to cluster in any way with Germans.

You have not heard about subclades of Y-DNA?