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    Quote Originally Posted by Simargl View Post
    N1c1 is the result of bottle-neck effect in all likelyhood. On autsomal DNA Baltic Finns are similar to their neighbours. Baltic Finnic language was spread by a small group of people. True Finno-Ugric peoples have at least 20% of ancient Siberian admixture like Mari or Komi. That's how I see it.
    Finnish N1c1 shows no signs of bottleneck. It is extremely diverse showing signs of multiple migrations spanning vast spances in time.

    More likely I1 has gone through a bottleneck. It shows a very shallow time depth, and represents only one reasonably young lineage within I1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simargl View Post
    Finno-Ugric peoples were rain deer herders using tools made of bones till recent times.
    Total bullshit.
    "If the enemy is not attacking from the East it has flanked." Finnish proverb


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu8D9GaQwIs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorg View Post
    You have not heard about subclades of Y-DNA?
    Y-DNA is Y-chromosome marker on paternal line. Autosomal DNA stores most genetic information in 22 pairs of chromosome out 23 pairs available. Autosomal DNA is more accurate in assessing genetic proximity, while Y-DNA is used in studying ancient migrations as it's more resistant to genetic mutations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukko View Post
    Total bullshit.
    Totally true. Those who didn't practise it were linguistic shifters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simargl View Post
    Totally true. Those who didn't practise it were linguistic shifters.
    Do tell how these hunter gatherers with bone tools spread their language in to bronze and iron age populations.
    "If the enemy is not attacking from the East it has flanked." Finnish proverb


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    Quote Originally Posted by Valtaves View Post
    It is extremely diverse showing signs of multiple migrations spanning vast spances in time.
    That would need to be substantiated using a large random sample.

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    Autosomal comparison, frequencies of CCR5del32:

    "Data on the most-studied and highly polymorphic in Europe, - autosomal marker CCR5del32 confirm this conclusion: the region, where meet regularly frequencies CCR5del32 covers the of the gene pool of the Northern half population of Europe, pointing to the existence of a powerful common genetic reservoir, which includes the Russian North. By number of people with high frequency CCR5del32, Finnish-speaking peoples are inferior to Germanic and Slavic."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukko View Post
    Do tell how these hunter gatherers with bone tools spread their language in to bronze and iron age populations.
    The same way as nomdic PIE and Turkic spread their language to sedentary people with higher cultures. Besides, there was little bronze and iron used in Finland and surrounding areas. Bronze and Iron ages are nominal terms in Finland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorg View Post
    Autosomal comparison:

    "Data on the most-studied and highly polymorphic in Europe, - autosomal marker CCR5del32 confirm this conclusion: the region, where meet regularly frequencies CCR5del32 covers the of the gene pool of the Northern half population of Europe, pointing to the existence of a powerful common genetic reservoir, which includes the Russian North. By number of people with high frequency CCR5del32, Finnish-speaking peoples are inferior to German and Slavic."


    These are STR (short tandem repeats) in chromosomes. You are using dated information. We are taling talking about SNP autosomal dnA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simargl View Post
    The same way as nomdic PIE and Turkic spread their language to sedentary people with higher cultures. Besides, there was little bronze and iron used in Finland and surrounding areas. Bronze and Iron ages are nominal terms.
    They where really good with their bone weapons.
    "If the enemy is not attacking from the East it has flanked." Finnish proverb


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu8D9GaQwIs

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