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Thread: Distribution of Y-chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) haplogroups of ethnic Macedonians

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    If Belarussians mix with Algerians and then start speaking Arabic, can we call them Poles?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemilius View Post
    You're not making any sense. The Macedonian identity didn't come into being until 1945. Before then, it was first utilized by Bulgarians who wanted to justify their claims on Macedonia. There hasn't been a Macedonian people in existence
    since forever otherwise.
    There were always people living in Macedonia...

    The Macedonian Slavs you're speaking of are Bulgarians. Have you even heard Fyromian before? Go listen to a few videos and see how Bulgarian Fyromian sounds.
    So it mean, that Nigerians are British because they speak english?

    And Maoris that practice the language and culture of ancient Macedonians who practiced Hellenism will always be more Macedonian than a Slavic speaker with 0 continuity from ancient Macedonians.


    So, when they will prectice "culture" and "language" of ancient
    Macedonians in New Zealand, they will be the truest Macedinians?

    Btw, Ancient Macedonians themselves didn;t prctice their own language and culture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balkanite View Post
    If Poles move to Nigeria and live there for 1400 years will they become Cameroonians?
    If Poles movved to Nigeria and will lived in the country still called Nigeria, they will be Nigerians.

    If you moved from Balkans to Montana, you are Montanian, arent you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    If Poles movved to Nigeria and will lived in the country still called Nigeria, they will be Nigerians.

    If you moved from Balkans to Montana, you are Montanian, arent you?
    Yes, but Montana isn't Idaho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    There were always people living in Macedonia...



    So it mean, that Nigerians are British because they speak english?





    So, when they will prectice "culture" and "language" of ancient
    Macedonians in New Zealand, they will be the truest Macedinians?

    Btw, Ancient Macedonians themselves didn;t prctice their own language and culture
    Are you ignorant or what? The Macedonians claim the legacy of VMRO as their own. And, what is the VMRO? The VMRO was a Bulgarian revolutionary organization that wanted to liberate Macedonia for Bulgaria but sometimes claimed to support autonomy instead to placate the West who opposed a greater Bulgaria. It was an organization where many Macedonians participated when they used to identify as Bulgarians until the 1930s when leftist communist ideas began to predominate.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemilius View Post
    Are you ignorant or what? The Macedonians claim the legacy of VMRO as their own. And, what is the VMRO? The VMRO was a Bulgarian revolutionary organization that wanted to liberate Macedonia for Bulgaria but sometimes claimed to support autonomy instead to placate the West who opposed a greater Bulgaria. It was an organization where many Macedonians participated when they used to identify as Bulgarians until the 1930s when leftist communist ideas began to predominate.

    VMRO is not the be-all and end-all of Macedonian history, friend. In any case, the word ''Internal'' should tell you it was a MACEDONIAN organisation operating inside Macedonia and for the Macedonians...all of it's party congresses and resolutions are available online for anyone interested in what they were fighting for. They went to great lengths to demonstrate they were a MACEDONIAN organisation, and not a Bulgarian one. You can open another thread if you want to debate this, rather than derail another thread of mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sokol View Post
    VMRO is not the be-all and end-all of Macedonian history, friend. In any case, the word ''Internal'' should tell you it was a MACEDONIAN organisation operating inside Macedonia and for the Macedonians...all of it's party congresses and resolutions are available online for anyone interested in what they were fighting for. They went to great lengths to demonstrate they were a MACEDONIAN organisation, and not a Bulgarian one. You can open another thread if you want to debate this, rather than derail another thread of mine.
    There's no need to keep up the act anymore. The West doesn't care about a greater Bulgaria anymore, and they will always see you as Bulgarians and ancient Macedonians as Greeks. Deal with it. Just because they change the name of interpreters from Bulgarian to Macedonian or they say FYROM or sometimes Macedonia at international events... don't mean your hallucinations are accurate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemilius View Post
    There's no need to keep up the act anymore. The West doesn't care about a greater Bulgaria anymore, and they will always see you as Bulgarians and ancient Macedonians as Greeks. Deal with it. Just because they change the name of interpreters from Bulgarian to Macedonian or they say FYROM or sometimes Macedonia at international events... don't mean your hallucinations are accurate.
    I like how you think you speak on behalf of the ''West'' and somehow have the finger on the pulse of public opinion all over the world. You sure you're OK? Seems like you're losing touch with reality.

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    Back to the topic at hand.

    Among the DNA samples we studied, we detected 20 different Y haplogroups, of which five haplogroups (E1b1b1a-M78, I2a-P37b, J2b2-M241, R1a1-SRY1532 and R1b1-P25) comprised 72.6% of the studied Y chromosomes (Table 3). The distribution of the Y haplogroups in Macedonians, Albanians and males of other ethnic origin (Roma, Serbs and Turks) is given in Table 3. The most common Y haplogroup in Macedonians was I2a-P37b (27.5%), which was followed by E1b1b1a-M78 (15.6%), R1a1-SRY1532 (14.2%) and R1b1-P25 (11.4%). In the Albanians, E1b1b1a-M78 was found in 28.8%, R1b1-P25 in 18.0%, J2b2-M241 in 13.5% and R1a1-SRY1532 in 12.6%.

    http://www.bjmg.edu.mk/record.asp?subrecordid=1189

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemilius View Post
    don't mean your hallucinations are accurate.
    What hallucinations? They exist. This is not halucination.

    Prussia was one of the most powerfull countries in Europe long
    after Prussians extinct. And what? They were fictional country?

    Belgians dont exist 2000 years, but Belgia exists. Is fictional?
    Kongo was a fictional colony of Belgians, who in real were French and Germans?

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