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    Default Steppe migration rekindles debate on Indo-European language origin

    From Icelanders to Sri Lankans, some 3 billion people speak the more than 400 languages and dialects that belong to the Indo-European family. Two fresh studies — one of ancient human DNA, the other a newly constructed genealogical ‘tree’ of languages — point to the steppes of Ukraine and Russia as the origin of this major language family, rekindling a long-standing debate.

    Scholars have long recognized an Indo-European language group that includes Germanic, Slavic and Romance languages as well as classical Sanskrit and other languages of the south Asian subcontinent. Yet the origins of this family of tongues are mired in controversy.




    Some researchers hold that an early Indo-European language was spread by Middle Eastern farmers around 8,000–9,500 years ago (see ‘Steppe in time’). This ‘Anatolian hypothesis’ is supported by well-documented migrations into Europe, where agriculturalists replaced or interbred with the existing hunter-gatherers. In 2012, a team led by evolutionary biologist Quentin Atkinson of the University of Auckland in New Zealand produced a family tree of Indo-European tongues that also pointed to an Anatolian origin more than 8,000 years ago.

    A competing theory posits that the languages emerged on the Eurasian steppe some 5,000–6,000 years ago, when the domestication of horses and invention of wheeled transport would have allowed herders there to rapidly expand their range. Proponents of the ‘steppe hypothesis’ note that linguistic reconstructions of a proto-Indo-European tongue include words associated with wheeled vehicles, which were not invented until long after Middle Eastern farmers had reached Europe. “Most linguists have signed up to the steppe hypothesis,” says Paul Heggarty, a linguist at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany.

    One knock against the theory was a lack of compelling evidence for a large-scale migration from the Eurasian steppe at this time.

    A study of ancient human DNA posted to the bioRxiv.org preprint server on 10 February now plugs that gap (W. Haak et al. http://doi.org/z9d; 2015). A team led by David Reich, an evolutionary and population geneticist at Harvard Medical School in Boston, Massachusetts, analysed DNA from the bodies of 94 individuals who lived across Europe between 8,000 and 3,000 years ago. The data confirmed the arrival of Middle Eastern farmers in Europe between 8,000 and 7,000 years ago. But they also revealed evidence for a second migration that began several thousand years later. DNA recovered from steppe herders called the Yamnaya, who lived in what are now Russia and Ukraine around 5,000 years ago, closely matched that of 4,500-year-old individuals from present-day Germany, who were part of a group known as the Corded Ware culture that encompassed most of northern Europe. The similarities suggest “a massive migration into the heartland of Europe from its eastern periphery”, the team writes.

    Yamnaya ancestry survives in the genomes of modern Europeans, with northerners such as Norwegians, Scots and Lithuanians maintaining the strongest link. The geographical extent of the Yamnaya migration is not clear, but the researchers note that the eastern migrants could have completely replaced existing populations, at least in what is now Germany. It is impossible to know the language these migrants spoke, but it is likely to have originated in the steppe homelands of the Yamnaya.

    “This seems like very striking support for at least part of the traditional steppe model of Indo-European diversification,” says Andrew Garrett, a historical linguist at the University of California, Berkeley, whose own work adds further support. When he and his team re-analysed the data from Atkinson’s 2012 family tree, this time taking into account the approximate ages of ancient Indo-European languages, they dated the origin to around 6,000 years ago, in line with the steppe hypothesis (W. Chang, et al. Language; in the press).

    Atkinson says, however, that the analysis assumes that ancient languages such as Latin and Old Irish are direct ancestors of modern languages, instead of side-branches of a common ancestor. This makes it appear that these languages evolved faster than they did, he says, and would argue incorrectly for a more-recent common tongue.

    Heggarty points out that Reich’s ancient DNA study is not the final word on the steppe hypothesis either. He suspects that the Yamnaya spoke a language that later developed into Slavic, Germanic and other northern European tongues, but he doubts that the group imported the predecessor of all Indo-European languages: “For me, these data look like the steppe population was speaking a branch of Indo-European.”

    Reich and his team acknowledge that attributing the origin of all Indo-European languages to the Yamnaya migration would require the discovery of their genetic signatures in samples from further east, such as from India and Iran. But Carles Lalueza-Fox, a palaeogeneticist at the Institute of Evolutionary Biology in Barcelona, Spain, notes that the climates of the Middle East and southern Asia do not augur well for preservation of ancient DNA: “It could be difficult to find good samples from the right time frame.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
    Heggarty points out that Reich’s ancient DNA study is not the final word on the steppe hypothesis either. He suspects that the Yamnaya spoke a language that later developed into Slavic, Germanic and other northern European tongues, but he doubts that the group imported the predecessor of all Indo-European languages: “For me, these data look like the steppe population was speaking a branch of Indo-European.”
    So is he suggesting that both hypothesis could be partially correct? The Middle Eastern farmers (Anatolian hypothesis) brought IE into Europe 8,000–9,500 years ago and then another branch of IE speakers (Eurasian steppe hypothesis) brought it into Europe 5,000-6,000 years ago.
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    I can not confirm this but I though it was interesting.

    http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/0...ever-heard-of/

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
    debate on language origin


    Aurignacian culture ancestral legacy includes the peoples of the Fertile Crescent – who eventually populated Mesopotamia – and early Siberian cultures, and they are thought to have been precedents for Proto-Indo-European language traditions.

    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...71#post3425671
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hong Key View Post
    I can not confirm this but I though it was interesting, Melonhead brought up something similar I believe. Where's Melonhead?





    Aurignacian culture ancestral legacy includes the peoples of the Fertile Crescent – who eventually populated Mesopotamia – and early Siberian cultures, and they are thought to have been precedents for Proto-Indo-European language traditions.

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    Thanks, interesting the Levant is linked.
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    I don't have a problem with the steppe hypothesis per se, the problem is it really can't be the case that Yamnaya is the proto-indo-european homeland. The r1b can't have come from the east which archaeology says is already well populated with r1a genes all over central asia.

    The PIE homeland would also have had to be back before the split of of r* into r1a and r1b, if such a thing as PIE homeland ever really existed. Otherwise the two clades could never have cleanly split the wasy they have.

    PIE homeland really had to be before the ice age, and the clades had to have formed in refugeums. Nothing else is really possible.

    Of course it could be that PIE is not really something that ever existed, or that IE language is little to do with genetics.

    If anything the results of the study and the huge range of both r1a and r1b which covers about the same range they have today, shows me that there were no migrations going on at this point. R1a and R1b were already in all those areas and already split into many subclades (which I'd also expect to happen WAY after the time of any hypothetical unified homeland).

    We still have very few HG genomes and very little DNA from middle east and north africa (of y-dna anyway), and more importantly no one is looking in the 'right' places. Not to mention starcevo culture which is an excellent candidate. They don't want to prove continuous occupation of europe, they are hellbent on 'proving' yamnaya theory or in case of greeks proving anatolian theory.

    Steppe one is possible but not this late in history and I am guessing that language would have already been formed in HG times, it would not really need cities. As such it would be impossible to really pinpoint anything. Anatolian is possible, too. So is maghreb, but they all probably have to be much further bak in time. All of these have some compelling reason to be entertained and frankly the steppe one is the least compelling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
    Thanks, interesting the Levant is linked.
    noticed that, super interesting.

    Not sure why the author linked Aurignacia's with PIE but thought I would throw that into the mix.
    Also right now reading about the Nostratic hypothesis

    Nostratic hypothesis in its more restricted, current form, it includes the Indo-European, Uralic, Altaic and Kartvelian languages. Proto-Nostratic would have been spoken between 15,000 and 12,000 BCE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hong Key View Post
    noticed that, super interesting.

    Not sure why the author linked Aurignacia's with PIE but thought I would throw that into the mix.
    Also right now reading about the Nostratic hypothesis

    Nostratic hypothesis in its more restricted, current form, it includes the Indo-European, Uralic, Altaic and Kartvelian languages. Proto-Nostratic would have been spoken between 15,000 and 12,000 BCE
    I wonder how proto-Basques fit in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
    I wonder how proto-Basques fit in?
    Nostratic

    Besides Kartvelian, Basque has been unsuccessfully compared with many other Nostratic language families, among them Altaic, Uralic, Indoeuropean, Dravidian and even Eskimo-Aleut. None of these attempts have succeeded in proving such link.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ba...uage/Archive_1

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    I'm on the Anatolian boat, as most civilisations and prominent prehistoric settlements were centred around that region. So it stands to reason why a language family may have been 'birthed' there.

    I don't know, but Indo-European languages popping out of some wasteland in southwestern Russian steppes just seems far fetched to me. And one of the only reasons why it's the popular theory has to be due to bias and eurocentrism.

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