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    Bashkirs live mainly in the Republic of Bashkortostan and the total Bashkir population is ca. 1 750 000 people. Their earliest mention in writing comes from Arab writer Ahmad ibn Fadlān ibn al-Abbās ibn Raīd ibn Hammād, who described the nomads as warlike and idolatrous. According to him, they worshiped phallic idols.
    They also raised cattle and practiced bee-keeping. Now they are mostly Sunni Muslim. After being ruled by Russia since 1921, they declared their sovereignty in 1990 and became a member of UNPO in 1996.
    About 84% of the Bashkirs of the Bashkortostan and Perm region belong to y-DNA haplogroup R1b1b2 - M269












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    Curious haplogroup information.

    It's worth pointing out that there's a great deal of Ugric in this Turkic speaking people. I've seen it written that there's not a great deal to divide them from the Qazaqs, and that the distinction between the two is merely a result of Russian policy (and the establishment of the Orenburg Line of Cossack forts), but it appears more complex than that. Language is probably the main thing linking them with the Qazaqs, as well as older khanate loyalties - blind old Khan Kuchum sought sanctuary with them when the Russians took the area.

    They are obviously transitional in very many ways, with the Teptiars forming a bridge to their western Kazan Tatar neighbours.

    I've heard that their clan names reveal lots of earlier obscured allegiances and origins, most of all with the old cousins of the Magyars who brought Ugric speech to Hungary.

    Great pics.

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    Some remind me clearly on Uighurs, obviously a mixed breed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osweo View Post
    Curious haplogroup information.
    Yeah, I'd also be intrested and finding about their mtDNA haplogroup distribution.

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    who described the nomads as warlike and idolatrous. According to him, they worshiped phallic idols
    typical R1b behaviour


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    Bashkir Y chromo

    N = 471
    R1b1b2 - M269 - 34,3% (0 to 84%)
    R1a1 - SRY10831.2 - 26,4% (9 to 48%)
    N1c - Tat - 17% (3 to 65%)
    R1b1b1 - M73 13,2%(1 to 55%)

    http://www.anrb.ru/molgen/Lobov_AS.PDF

    Bashkirs vary very much by regions



    Their Mongoloid component is mostly on the maternal side (about 65%).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pallantides View Post
    The guy on the right resembles you a bit.

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    I bet we are brothers in R1b1b2

    He is clearly more Asiatic looking than me though.

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    I am not sure what 'mixed breed' should mean in the context of a people who have probably been fairly endogamous for centuries. 'Mixed' is a relative term in any case.

    I was at university with some nominally muslim Russian students hailing from an autonomous region of Russia, who looked something like the above, but who as a group looked quite homogenous, like brothers and sisters actually.


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    Well, every mixture can produce something stable, especially if it lasted long already and selection was involved. Still, if looking at the big picture, they are without a doubt to consider as mixed since they are between the two main races of Eurasia, Europid and Mongolid.

    And even if the mixture is now more than 2000 years old, thats still fairly recent.

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