Who are the English mostly descended from?

[LightHouse89]

Depends how far back along the line of evolution you want to go.

evolution is a social construct.

[LightHouse89]

It provides a useful answer though since history doesn't stop with a bunch of Anglo Saxons.
Some people look back all the time to where we come from, rather than looking forward to where we're going.

Which isn't a very bright future that's for sure. At least for the English speaking world.

[LightHouse89]

Bell Beakers of various sorts?



(Skillfully avoids Celtic-Germanic debate)

Yes and if we use that we might as well say angles, Saxons and Vikings were bell beakers.

I laugh at the notion of stone age identity being seen as important. I have never taken interest in pre civilization Europe or the world for that matter. Seems so trivial and unimportant.

I tend to accept that the British Islands is Celto-Germanic. The Bell beakers did not create a civilization or leave us with any sort of culture of any significance. Its sort of the ancestry white people should not take much pride in.

[LightHouse89]

Ireland has the lowest rate of blonde hair in northern Europe(including north-eastern Europe like Belarus) and even parts of central Europe(Belgium, Austria, Czech Republic, Switzerland). Dark hair(black/dark brown) is the majority, although light eyes are the majority(where in Wales both dark eyes and dark hair is the majority). Probably means Wales has the least outside influence and are closest to the original Britons.

Scotland, yeah.

I know more people here of Irish roots with blonde hair and more people of Anglo-Saxon with brown hair hahaha. But yes I would say Ireland is light brown/ dark blonde hair types typically. Red hair might be more common than people with bright blonde hair.

[Peikko]

I guess it depends who you ask from. But I think it's the combination of all those different influences what makes the modern day English who they are.

[Jackson]

I remember previously you were saying about 60% Germanic, so what made you change your mind?

The upper estimates for Germanic-like DNA seem to be around 50-60% going by POBI, or even going by y-chromosomes alone. Allowing for overlap and uncertainty it's probably going to be a bit less, so 50% is a reasonable figure. I guess we'll see in the future perhaps.

[Neon Knight]

They should be able to make a book and TV documentary out of all the PotBI stuff.

[LightHouse89]

They should be able to make a book and TV documentary out of all the PotBI stuff.

That would be nice. I cannot wait until they come out with the studies on the Irish. I wish to see to what extent the Normans had there. Even if its like 2% input or less. I don't really care. I have been trying to follow people with the same surname as my own who took genetic tests. Many come back as largely or exclusively just Irish [or pre Norman invasion population]. But some do trace ancestry to Brittany France. The Powers were not actual Normans from Normandy however it is possible some could have been Flemish mercenaries which to me this would show up on a genetic test. Unless the Irish and Flemish are too close to be indistinguishable.

However most people with my surname don't differ much from other Irish people. I thought at least I would be descendant from some bastard offspring from the actual head of the family or something. Back then Knights were pimps and had many concubines so you think we all have a bit of aristocratic ancestry somewhere.