Gymcels and false hope

[Skulgrimen]

Women are far less forgiving of a man's facial flaws. Males always overlook female facial flaws that would otherwise repulse women if placed on the opposite sex.

How men select partners:
Good body, acceptable face. Would bang.

How women select partners:
Good face, acceptable body. Would bang.

You see so many guys on the misc who think that they will become slayers once they're jacked. Yet they still remain incel due to their face.

Gymcel propaganda:




Would get AMOGed by a skinny prettyboy

[Skulgrimen]

[Desaix DeBurgh]

Most guys who go the gym, like those guys, are trying to get bodies most women don't prefer. That is not the kind body I'm after. My body is closer to Daniel Craig's in Casino Royal but we have different genetics and probably not the same exact bodyfat percentage so we don't look exactly the same. Anyway, it sounds like you are just trying to make excuses to be an out of shape lazy loser. BTW, my body is closer to the built one below but perhaps somewhere between toned and built but closer to built. BTW, what makes men attractive has alot more to do than just looks but also social status and wealth are important where for women pure looks are more important so you are wrong about women in regards to mens' looks. Men care about looks more than women in this regard but anyway back to the gym/body thing :

Are Muscular Men More Attractive?

By Jim F in Fashion, Figure, And Shape, Body Image, Bodybuilding, Men

Hot or not?

The general feeling is that men must have muscles. But why?

According to a study by UCLA professor David Frederick:

[…] men’s physical features are related not only to women’s expressed preferences for mates but also to men’s and women’s past mate choices and sex behaviors.

NOTE: Despite the many media reports- we need to understand that the subjects of the study were male and female undergraduates (aged 18-25) living in California, USA. Extrapolating that to all men and women everywhere is foolish. One of the studies interviewed 99 male undergraduates about their sexual histories, and, to be honest – can you really believe they didn’t “talk up” their exploits?

The Research
This fascinating paper actually includes 6 studies and is difficult to summarize. Here I will focus on just one of the studies:

141 college women aged around 20 looked at 6 computer generated images of men (created with MyVirtualModel.com).
Note that only the images were shown to the women – not the labels (e.g. brawny, slender, etc).
The women rated the images against four factors: sexual desirability, commitment, physical dominance (over other males), and volatility (e.g. bad temper).



Who Came Out On Top?

Okay, deep-breath guys…

Attractiveness, sexual desirability? The built and toned guys came tops. The chubby guy was bottom of the heap. Brawny guy still desirable but not as much as built and toned guy.

Physical Dominance? Brawny and built were tops, the slender guy bottom.

Commitment? Chubby guy voted the best, brawny and built the worst.

Volatility? Slender guy the least volatile, with brawny and built the most volatile. I guess this is why skinny guys want to gain muscle.

The Alternate View: Not All Women Like Muscles
Research from Australian’s Flinders University (published in Body Image) shows that the “average” sized male body is every bit as good as the muscle-bound one.

The researchers showed “mock-up advertisements for jeans, skin-care products and cologne – featuring muscular male models and men of more average dimensions – to more than 600 students in their late teens.” (source)

Neither women or men respondents found the muscular models any more appealing than average men. Lead researcher Diedrichs suggests that participants “may have associated the muscular models with vanity, femininity and homosexuality, and dismissed them as suitable comparison targets.”

Women reported “a more positive body image state after exposure to male models, regardless of their body size or muscularity”. In other words, advertising images of ripped guys and muscle-bound hulks didn’t result in any increased pleasure or positive affect over the average-sized guys.


In case you’re wondering what is “average-slim” and “average-large” used in the process, I’ve obtained a sample picture (from the journal article). The researchers constructed advertising imagery using Photoshop.



Reference
Diedrichs, P. C., & Lee, C. GI Joe or Average Joe? The impact of average-size and muscular male fashion models on men’s and women’s body image and advertisement effectiveness. Body Image (2010), doi:10.1016/j.bodyim.2010.03.004

[Skulgrimen]

But you also have a MM tier face. If the above guy's face was placed on a MM body, don't you think he would still be repulsive to women?

[zhaoyun]

As long as a guy isn't overweight, face is more important than muscles for a woman.

Also, in general, women hate overly muscular men. They prefer men who are in shaped, toned, and defined, but not overly muscular.

So Desaix is right about the most preferred physique. Definitely the underwear model over the bodybuilder.

[Desaix DeBurgh]

BTW, the above says : "NOTE: Despite the many media reports- we need to understand that the subjects of the study were male and female undergraduates (aged 18-25) living in California, USA. Extrapolating that to all men and women everywhere is foolish. One of the studies interviewed 99 male undergraduates about their sexual histories, and, to be honest – can you really believe they didn’t “talk up” their exploits?"

Ok, but girls who look like California girls who are in their prime fertile years are the highest valued women. Who cares if not all women like muscles ? Obviously, it seems the hot young fertile ones do and that is all that matters to me i.e. it is alpha to bang hot chicks 18-25 but not some middle aged milf who might not care if you have muscles or whatever :



It doesn't matter to me that all women might not like muscles but the ones I bang and want to bang do

[Desaix DeBurgh]

But you also have a MM tier face. If the above guy's face was placed on a MM body, don't you think he would still be repulsive to women?

Thanks for the compliment I didn't necessarily think I had an MM tier face but I am not good at judging these things so I hope you are right. I'm bad at judging mens' looks but good at judging womens' looks. I think if the above guy's face was placed on a MM body but he also had high social status and was wealthy he could pull women that are 9s and 10s. In fact they could do that being out of shape with high social status and wealth but it would be easier if they are in shape. Women are valued more for their looks than men. Men are valued more for what they do or their position in society.

[LightHouse89]

Women prefer borrebies because they are rich and have money. We live in castles while the rest of these men live in mud huts or wooden houses with thatched roofs.

[Skulgrimen]

Women prefer borrebies because they are rich and have money. We live in castles while the rest of these men live in mud huts or wooden houses with thatched roofs.

LOL most Borrebies live in trailer parks.

[Longbowman]

All part of your quitter mentality. 'What's the point in doing anything? I won't get laid. I won't succeed, so I won't try.' And you get to blame forces beyond your control. Weak. At this point, do you even deserve to reproduce? Would that really be the best thing for humanity and Canada?