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    Default High Ashkenazi IQ partially derived from Haplogroup K?

    To quote 'Maciamo', who has notably helped in making countless maps concerning haplogroups on Eupedia: "What picked my interest is that half of Ashkenazi Jews of Western and Central European origin, and one third of Eastern European origin belonged to haplogroup K, compared to an average of only about 5% in Europe and 6.5% in Germany. How could this have happened? Genetic drift? Natural selection? This is how I remembered that haplogroup K, and especially K1, had been associated with higher brain pH, better brain connectivity and higher IQ. Several studies have determined that Jewish people had the highest average IQ of any ethnic group, and there is no need to demonstrate that the number of famous Jewish scientists, economists, academics, Nobel laureates, etc. is disproportionately high compared to their share of the world population (even if we only look at developed countries). There are surely other genetic factors than merely mitochondrial DNA, but if mtDNA does play a role in intelligence could this haplogroup have been positively selected within the Jewish population over the centuries to cope with the more intellectual occupations that the Jews have tended to specialise in? [Or was the haplogroup present in the Ashkenazi population at a high percentage in the first place, meaning that, even without the accidental eugenics that made the Ashkenazi IQ what it is, the Ashkenazi IQ is naturally higher?]"


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    I assume the reason why the Ashkenazim have such a large amount of K mtDNA is because of the small maternal founding population and the fact that Jewishness is passed through the maternal line.

    mtDNA having an effect on IQ seems unlikely to me.

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    I'm haplogroup K and have an IQ of 118 but that's just a coincidence, because i have a lot of maternal average and less cousins, i don't think haplogroup can correlate such a thing
    My maternal grandma has an IQ of 108 and my mum 95... what alcoholism can do to you :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheViridiana View Post
    I'm haplogroup K and have an IQ of 118 but that's just a coincidence, because i have a lot of maternal average and less cousins, i don't think haplogroup can correlate such a thing
    It's possible for it to correlate with it, for example if you lumped Ashkenazim with say the French and then tested this group for mtDNA and IQ; you would find a correlation between mtDNA and IQ. But the mtDNA probably doesn't cause the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sockorer View Post
    It's possible for it to correlate with it, for example if you lumped Ashkenazim with say the French and then tested this group for mtDNA and IQ; you would find a correlation between mtDNA and IQ. But the mtDNA probably doesn't cause the difference.
    The IQ's between my sisters and i and my maternal cousins is vast, 3 of my cousins are considered intellectually disabled or of low IQ (i only have one aunty) so it is a contentious mystery in my family, since everyone else is relatively normal, my grandma blames it on their dad's genes, but can it go that far lol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheViridiana View Post
    The IQ's between my sisters and i and my maternal cousins is vast, 3 of my cousins are considered intellectually disabled or of low IQ (i only have one aunty) so it is a contentious mystery in my family, since everyone else is relatively normal, my grandma blames it on their dad's genes, but can it go that far lol?
    Well then that settles it, clearly mtDNA K is the superior group and we should make soap out of all none Ks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sockorer View Post
    Well then that settles it, clearly mtDNA K is the superior group and we should make soap out of all none Ks.
    Says the haplogroup J, heheh

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheViridiana View Post
    Says the haplogroup J, heheh
    I think I would make a great bar of soap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sockorer View Post
    I think I would make a great bar of soap.
    Haha, i don't have desires for human soap, you can keep your body insulation.

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    Is it a coincidence, though, that possessing haplogroup K correlates with a higher brain pH, which in turn correlates with better brain connectivity and a higher IQ?

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