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    The real question is... can it escape a BUK system from the 70s....I bet it goes down faster than an airbus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manifest Destiny View Post
    The Hennessey Venom GT is a supercar based on the Lotus Exige manufactured by Texas-based Hennessey Performance Engineering and assembled in England.[2]
    I'm saddened by the death of the US car industry. It's a recipe for long-term economic disaster.
    Spoiler!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
    I'm saddened by the death of the US car industry. It's a recipe for long-term economic disaster.
    The brains behind it are American.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ctwentysevenj View Post
    Well the Americans had faith in Italian engineers, by letting the Italians build this aircraft. Also allowing very sensitive technology transfers to The Italians.
    Bollocks, mate. There's no technology transfer at all. The sole Level 1 partner is BAe Systems of UK, and they loudly complained that the Americans denied all access to really sensitive technologies and know-how (Italy is only a secondary contractor, like the Netherlands or Turkey).

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    Will be the most sophisticated fighter in the world.
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    This is the most sophisticated jet fighter ever to be built in Europe.
    The F-35 is notoriously a lemon, the costliest useless flying junk ever developed.

    Pentagon’s big budget F-35 fighter ‘can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run’

    Americans should be worried.

    The U.S. military has grounded all its new F-35 Joint Strike Fighters following an incident on June 23, when one of the high-tech warplanes caught fire on the runway of a Florida air base. The no-fly order — which affects at least 50 F-35s at training and test bases in Florida, Arizona, California and Maryland — began on the evening of July 3 and continued through July 11.

    All those F-35s sitting idle could be a preview of a future in which potentially thousands of the Pentagon’s warplanes can’t reliably fly.

    To be fair, the Pentagon routinely grounds warplanes on a temporary basis following accidents and malfunctions to buy investigators time to identify problems and to give engineers time to fix them.

    But there’s real reason to worry. The June incident might reflect serious design flaws that could render the F-35 unsuitable for combat.

    For starters, the Lockheed Martin-built F-35 — which can avoid sensor detection thanks to its special shape and coating — simply doesn’t work very well. The Pentagon has had to temporarily ground F-35s no fewer than 13 times since 2007, mostly due to problems with the plane’s Pratt & Whitney-made F135 engine, in particular, with the engines’ turbine blades. The stand-downs lasted at most a few weeks.

    “The repeated problems with the same part of the engine may be indications of a serious design and structural problem with the F135 engine,” said Johan Boeder, a Dutch aerospace expert and editor of the online publication JSF News.

    Pratt & Whitney has already totally redesigned the F135 in an attempt to end its history of frequent failures. But there’s only so much engineers can do. In a controversial move during the early stages of the F-35′s development, the Pentagon decided to fit the plane with one engine instead of two. Sticking with one motor can help keep down the price of a new plane. But in the F-35′s case, the decision proved self-defeating.

    That’s because the F-35 is complex — the result of the Air Force, Marines and Navy all adding features to the basic design. In airplane design, such complexity equals weight. The F-35 is extraordinarily heavy for a single-engine plane, weighing as much as 35 tons with a full load of fuel.

    By comparison, the older F-15 fighter weighs 40 tons. But it has two engines. To remain reasonably fast and maneuverable, the F-35′s sole F135 engine must generate no less than 20 tons of thrust — making it history’s most powerful fighter motor.

    All that thrust results in extreme levels of stress on engine components. It’s no surprise, then, that the F-35 frequently suffers engine malfunctions. Even with that 20 tons of thrust, the new radar-dodging plane is still sluggish. The F-35 “is a dog … overweight and underpowered,” according to Winslow Wheeler, director of the Straus Military Reform Project at the Project on Government Oversight in Washington.

    In 2008, two analysts at the RAND Corporation, a California think-tank that works closely with the military, programmed a computer simulation to test out the F-35′s fighting ability in a hypothetical air war with China. The results were startling.

    “The F-35 is double-inferior,” John Stillion and Harold Scott Perdue concluded in their written summary of the war game, later leaked to the press. The new plane “can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run,” they warned.

    http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debat...limb-cant-run/

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfieb View Post
    Ridiculous paintjob? Check.
    Looks like a modified F1 car? Check.

    Yep. It's Italian alright.
    That's not the final paintjob, but a layer applyed directly above the metal to protect it from the enviroment.

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    The Frenchmen is right, the F-35 is a lemon. Australian airpower wrote a lengthy article about it, and did a film you can find on youtube. In the film there are the designers of the A-10 f-16 and f-15.

    It's "stealth" is very limited, and it's time on ground vs time is air is horrible. It's gonna screw the US airforce, thank you military industrial corrupt complex.

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    Yeah, lookin real nice.........

    When are they going to test drive them, against sandal-wearing cave dwellers in toyota pickup trucks.... lol

    What a waste of money...
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    Quote Originally Posted by beergarden View Post
    It's "stealth" is very limited
    The over-hyped "stealth" factor is a joke (with French or Russian fighter jets as well), for gullible TV watchers only.
    Only reduced radar signature can be achieved.
    But in real operational configuration, with rockets, bombs and additional tanks under the wings, forget about it.

    Do we need to invest in over-sophisticated machines and to spend million dollars only to destroy cheap Toyota pickups with ragheads aboard in the Middle-East or African deserts? The cost-to-result ratio is more than Pyrrhic, it is just unsustainable.

    The future belongs to low cost unmanned aircrafts.

    Fighter jets are just like the dreadnought battleships around 1900: every major country wanted to have some and wasted nonsensical amounts of money for that, but they never were of any use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
    I'm saddened by the death of the US car industry. It's a recipe for long-term economic disaster.
    The car industry is even deader in the UK.

    Quote Originally Posted by beergarden View Post
    It's gonna screw the US airforce, thank you military industrial corrupt complex.
    The US Airforce will just keep using the Apache for everything, as they did before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
    I'm saddened by the death of the US car industry. It's a recipe for long-term economic disaster.
    Meh, that industry was bound to die anyway... Americans should rather focus on finding ways to replace fossil fuels because once the last drop of oil will be extracted from the ground of this planet... There's gonna be pandaemonium everywhere... The primitive tribes of Africa and South America who know how to fend for themselves in the jungle or the savanna and the communities of White Europeans living a pre-industrial lifestyle (like the Amish) will probably be the only ones who will still be there after the coming apocalypse...

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